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To: robowombat; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Why does one have to accept the tenets of the Declaration which is nothing but a lot of political propaganda. The preamble is a collection of Enlightenment bromides and rather stale ones at that. The whole purpose of the Declaration was to score points against the crown and provide the rebels with some rhetorical ammunition.

So, you reject the Declaration of Independence?

The basis of much of libertarianism is simply understanding that men are power oriented and greedy and one has to arrange things to restrain their natural appetites in order not to become a serf.

So, libertarianism is based on selfishness rather that God-given rights?

There is no right or wrong here just a recognition of what a predatory and vicious creature the homo sapient is and that if you let him he will be a tyrant as it just comes naturally from our old reptile brain.

I see, the leftist "no right or wrong" precept of moral relativism.

Thank you for the brilliant reminder that libertarians have far more in common with hard-core liberals than they do with conservatives.

12 posted on 05/31/2012 5:22:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Thank you for representing the cornerstone principles of this free republic, upon which our form of government and our claim to liberty are premised, so well.

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20 posted on 05/31/2012 6:02:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: wagglebee
No liberals believe in all manner of rubbish about using the state to make us better people or crating a ‘more humane’ world or other garbage that is in part a fig leaf for their basic desire to boss people around and part denatured secular Christianity. That is it in a nut shell. I hate the D-—— liberals for their desire to make me and everyone else a serf to the all powerful state and its various agencies. As the Gadsden Flag says ‘Don't Tread on Me’.

I don't worship a lot platitudes concocted by some bright fellows a couple hundred years ago. Some are really hilarious such as fixing the blame for slavery on Great Britain while that eminent theorist of liberty and slaveholder Thomas Jefferson penned the words.

I have never been able to consult the Almighty on whether he bestowed anything on humanity. It strikes me as odd that it took until the 18th century for mortals to suddenly discover this remarkable bequest. If rights there be we won them fair and square by beating our Sovereign monarch Geo II with the big time assistance of those friends of liberty the Bourbon monarchs of France and Spain.

Politics is nothing more than a fight over the distribution of power and wealth.
Making it some sanctified or sanctimonious operation is just sugar coating the turd beneath.

23 posted on 05/31/2012 6:27:17 PM PDT by robowombat
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