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Early Christian Communism
http://mises.org ^ | May 24, 2012 | Murray N. Rothbard

Posted on 05/24/2012 9:59:00 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45

For centuries the alleged ideal of communism had come to the world as a messianic and millennial creed. Various seers, notably Joachim of Fiore, had prophesied the final state of mankind as one of perfect harmony and equality, one where all things are owned in common, where there is no necessity for work or need for the division of labor. In the case of Joachim, of course, problems of production and property, indeed of scarcity in general, were "solved" by man no longer possessing a physical body. As pure spirits, men as equal and harmonious psychic entities spending all their time chanting praise to God, might make a certain amount of sense. But the communist idea applied to a physical mankind still needing to produce and consume is a very different matter. In any case, the communist ideal continued to be put forward as a religious, millennial doctrine. We have seen in volume I its enormous influence on the Anabaptist wing of the Reformation in the 16th century. Millennial and communist dreams also inspired various fringe Protestant sects during the English Civil War of the mid-17th century, particularly the Diggers, the Ranters, and the Fifth Monarchy Men.

The most important forerunner of Marxian communism among these Civil War Protestant sectarians was Gerrard Winstanley (1609–60), the founder of the Digger movement and a man much admired by Marxist historians.

By the end of 1648, Winstanley had expanded his chiliastic doctrine to embrace egalitarian world communism, in which all goods are owned in common. His theological groundwork was the heretical, pantheistic view that God is within every man and woman, and is not a personal deity external to man. This pantheistic God has decreed "cooperation," which for Winstanley meant compulsory communism ...

By the time of his magnum opus in 1652, Winstanley was vainly appealing to the dictator, Oliver Cromwell, to impose his cherished system from above. The idea of mass direct action to establish his system was rapidly abandoned in the face of reality.

Another more mystical communist sect during the English Civil War was the half-crazed Ranters. The Ranters were classic antinomians, that is, they believed that all human beings were automatically saved by the existence of Jesus, and that therefore all men are free to disobey all laws and to flout all moral rules.

The Ranters, then, combined their belief in communism with total sexual licence, including the practice of communism of women, and communal homosexual and heterosexual orgies.

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1 posted on 05/24/2012 9:59:05 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

The liberals are like the Ranters. They promote no moral laws-—via homosexual “marriage” where they can normalize immorality “for the children” and have orgies for everyone, even the children. It is to destroy civil society though.

It is all the Marxist push for collapse so they can get control of the world-—USA has to be eliminated—as a sovereign nation so they can rule and control us.

Promoting sexuality in children destroys the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom (Rousseau) and destroys intellectual control over the base urges. Morality is habituated and practiced but Virtue has to be modeled and valued by the culture.


2 posted on 05/24/2012 10:07:56 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Para-Ord.45

There’s a malady, which frequently afflicts academics. It’s the result of having too much time on their hands. It’s called “Sh#t-for-Brains!”


3 posted on 05/24/2012 10:09:45 AM PDT by old school
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Voluntary deciding to live in a commune and a communist political system (communism) are two totally different things.


4 posted on 05/24/2012 10:17:46 AM PDT by circlecity
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...and then the coming of lincoln and his war from within on Americans, after the refugees from the European unpleasantness of 1848 arrived, many of these became legislators in both america and canada, and high ranking union army officers, etc.

Marx himself became a writer for the nyt in 1851 w/the help of horace greeley, and he continued at it for 10 years there.

that was the commie toe in the American doorway, and they have continued in earnest till now and the immediate future.

My opinion,,,

Semper Watching!
*****


5 posted on 05/24/2012 10:21:51 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: circlecity

” Voluntary deciding to live in a commune and a communist political system (communism) are two totally different things.”

Even that usually doesn’t last very long.
There have been very few “Christian communes” that have lasted more than a generation.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 10:32:25 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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‘There have been very few “Christian communes” that have lasted more than a generation.’

I remember a Sister of Charity who once opined to a class that the nuns lived a communist life style, emphasizing she meant small “c” communism, not large “C” Communism.

That was then, I don’t know about now.


7 posted on 05/24/2012 10:55:17 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: old school

“There’s a malady, which frequently afflicts academics. It’s the result of having too much time on their hands. It’s called “Sh#t-for-Brains!””

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Roger That! The Gov. seems to be badly afflicted also.


8 posted on 05/24/2012 11:14:36 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

It’s not Communism if it’s voluntary.


9 posted on 05/24/2012 12:11:24 PM PDT by DManA
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Early Christian communism was also marked by a voluntary nature. Modern communism as a political movement denies members a choice.


10 posted on 05/24/2012 3:33:07 PM PDT by tbw2
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