"I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life."
Posted on 05/20/2012 10:45:08 PM PDT by Axenolith
California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. But one wouldn’t know that going to the firing range these days. AR-15s and AK-47s are the must-have guns of choice. How can that be?
Every time California tightens up the assault weapons ban, the gun industry finds a way around it. The latest example involves a tiny device...
(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...
Less laws = less crime.
From what I understand (and I’m NOT a gun afficianado, so don’t jump all over me on this, please), AR-15s aren’t even “assault rifles” because they don’t have “selective fire” to go between semi-automatic and fully manual modes, correct?
Is that what “assault rifle” means? I figured it was just a made-up term by the media to make certain rifles sound scary.
Why shouldn’t we blame you? You deserted, and the place went to crap! ;^D
I was 14 and had no say in the move. Chino was a nice place at the time and I was slated to go to a nice Lutheran high school in Pomona with Navy JROTC that next semester. If it had been up to me, we’d have stayed.
Ah, of course. I guess I’ve never seen that for pistols before.
The definition of “Assault weapon” was an invention of the Clinton congress (93-94), from what I understand; The military referred to “assault weapons,” but this was based on their use, not their form or design.
But German “storm rifle” somehow got translated as “assault rifle.” I did check; there are five defining characteristics, including a detachable magazine, a butt stock, an intermediate-power cartridge, and a 1000-foot / 300-meter range.
BUt I am probably one of the last people to ask about this on this thread; I know what I’ve read, but I don’t have the experience with guns to ensure I’m interpreting everything correctly.
The fact that the 3rd Civil War didn't start then and there is proof that anybody with gumption has already left the state.
"Door to door?"
Them jackboots are BEGGIN for a bullet in the brain.
"I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life."
What is wrong with these people? Does good weather rot their brains?
It is a magzine ejector for Pete’s sake.
No, I’ve never attended a public protest of any kind. I seem to recall you asked me the same question once before here, years ago.
Apparently, I am confusing you with the other voices in my head. I will go take my meds now.
You and I have written each other here countless times over the last twleve-plus years, I’m sure. Probably it’s that you just recognize my signature name.
Not quite.
Basically, the "bullet button" or equivalent is only required on rifles which have the so-called "evil" features installed; that is, a pistol grip, adjustable stock, forward pistol grip, or a flash suppressor, with possibly a few other items I might have forgotten.
If your rifle doesn't have any of these features, then the magazine can be detachable as designed.
The Ruger Mini-14, some of which are known as the "Ranch Rifle", typically doesn't have any of the "evil" features, and is not subject to the requirement to eliminate detachability of magazines. This is probably because many ranchers do indeed use this rifle for predator control and the legislature didn't want to take the step of declaring ANY magazine-fed rifle to be an "Assault Weapon" subject to registration and ridiculous transport controls.
Those who missed the original 90 day registration period are simply out-of-luck and are not permitted to own such rifles.
You could open carry unloaded up until about 4 months ago here. Banned that too.
Apparently, I am behind CA laws because they also use to include a handle atop, a raised front site, and a certain length of barrel and stock. They must have changed the laws. I'm a newbie to rifle laws.
When doing familiarization firing at the local range, I was looking at rifles and the salesman showed me that all CA legal rifles had that pin requirement. They were all the original manufacture or clones. He said all CA rifles require the pin insertion now, except for old carbines. I said really? A pin device to eject the mag? And how long will that stop the crazies? He said about one maybe two seconds if he knew his weapon and had a needle handy. Politicians are unbelievably stupid.
How quick could some scumbag push the button and load another mag? What, 3-4 seconds? That is suppose to protect the citizens? What if the bad guy has a 15 round mag in a 9mm and has numerous magazines? Then what?
Oh wait, CA outlawed 15 round mags to only 10 round mags, so they no longer exist according all those idiots in Sacremento. Better that ALL citizens carry and stop these tragedies. One person in the right spot pulls out his CCW gun and shoots the prick to death.
Sorry for the rant. So what am I missing here? I'm trying to learn.
I recently did a home defense shotgun famfire with a 410 bore; 20 gauge; 12 gauge, and a semi-auto 12 gauge. That last one was just damn sweet and really nasty, but cost a bundle. Think about 5 rounds shot off in 12 guage as quick as you can pull the finger. I'm surprised they are not illegal in CA. I didn't know they even existed.
Something I learned from that shotgun famfire is that like in many movies, you can actually shoot from the hip! You can also fire just under the shoulder for slightly better aim. If you want to really aim, that's when you tuck into your shoulder and lean forward as I was trained in the Navy. Hip shots are the easiest as long as you keep the weapon an inch away from your body. Loved it and hit the target mass every time.
So what IS the best self-defense rifle to own in our Union of Socialist Shitheads of Regurgitation (USSR) in California? What? An old M-1 carbine? Great weapon for its time; don't want it.
As for in home self-defense, my Remington 870 sits beside me at night with a UTG high-powered flashlight (blinding) and a red dot laser below. While the lights are not zeroed in, I have aimed and know where the target is in relation to the lights. A half inch below...so I compensate.
Yes, I know, who needs a red dot on a 12 guage - it came with the flashlight. Thinking of attaching it to my new Glock with rail I'm going to buy. Got suggestion for a Glock? My Sig P226 has no rail and not easy to rack in the dead of night. To me, a handgun is where you DO want a red dot and easily to chamber.
Back on point for long defense: What rifle with magazine? My ammo preference is 5.56 so my SO doesn't experience the kick of 7.62.
Somebody is pretty screwed up. I don't think it's me. And you seem to be trusting a gun dealer; perhaps a mistake.
I'm just guessing but maybe the dealer was referring to ALL AR-15 type rifles with a pistol grip. Then it would be true that the rifle would have to have a "fixed" magazine.
Calguns.net has created a flow chart to keep people legal. I don't recall seeing a change indicating that all rifles must have fixed magazines. I haven't purchased a rifle in about two years, but I'm pretty sure I would notice a change like you are describing. Kalifornia's laws are bad enough without such a misunderstanding.
Perhaps you could call your gun dealer and ask for clarification? Just ask him if it's legal to buy a Ruger Ranch Rifle (Mini-14) with detachable 10-round magazines.
I'm also not aware of any concern about a "handle atop", unless one is talking about a forward pistol-grip. I haven't heard of any restrictions on "raised front site". There are legal restrictions on barrel length and total length of the rifle, which I believe are 16 inches and 30 inches respectively. The dealer should know these things.
I wouldn’t brag about it.
I’m merely reminding you that California is not solidly socialist. Some of us are here because of work or family. It’s bad enough that we have to contend with the tyrants in Sacramento; we also have to put up with Freepers bashing our state, and by implication, its residents, of whom I am one.
Here is a link to a guy who says he is going to do a documentary about what a joke this law is for cali.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?s=346798d26df0e436083bedfc0043e47c&t=561952
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