Posted on 05/01/2012 7:35:50 AM PDT by libertarian27
Edited on 05/01/2012 7:38:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
BOSTON (AP) — A genealogist has uncovered evidence that Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren does have Native American heritage as she claims.
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PROBABLY FOUND IT NEXT TO Zer0’s BC.
Christopher Child is the guy who produced the Obama BC.
Aren’t we all 1/32-something?
Am I 1/somethingth African-American since human beings originated in Africa? Can I claim minority status if so?
Yes and we know the name of the person from whom we derive it. I am 1/32 Swiss from the Remmick branch of my Family Tree. Timothy Remmick was at the Battle of Bunker Hill with Phinney’s 8th Kittery ME. Do you know what that counts for on an application? Absolutely nothing, unless I want to join a Minuteman re-enacted group.
Yes and we know the name of the person from whom we derive it. I am 1/32 Swiss from the Remmick branch of my Family Tree. Timothy Remmick was at the Battle of Bunker Hill with Phinney’s 8th Kittery ME. Do you know what that counts for on an application? Absolutely nothing, unless I want to join a Minuteman re-enacted group.
For the Cherokee and many other Indians FORMAL MEMBERSHIP (usually attested to with a little blue card) counts on two things ~ the appearance of 1 or more ancestors in the Dawes Rolls, and at least 'any', 1/4 or 1/16 Cherokee ancestry (the blood quantum) depending on which "band'.
It's up to the US Government ~ not commenters and not popular belief. http://www.tngenweb.org/tnfirst/recognized.html
The closest Warren got to a real Cherokee was when she rode in one.
Here they are...right next to the original Bush National Guard documents!
I liked what one commenter said. Scott Brown should declare himself 1/32 African-American.
Ever read this; http://books.google.com/books?id=vIkMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA379&lpg=PA379&dq=%22timothy+remmick%22&source=bl&ots=IiMxD0PEz4&sig=vfZaskWJrYtIfH5H2AkvJw6RYD8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gPmfT9WnLoLe2AXy1rWxAg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22timothy%20remmick%22&f=false ?
GOOGLE tells me I"ve looked up this Remmick guy before.
So what. My wife’s roots trace directly back through the Red Bollings to Pochohantas, her 13th great-grandmother, and her maternal grandfather was a full blooded Cherokee.
One of my great-grandmothers from the 1600s was the daughter of a chief of the Turtle clan of the Mohawk nation.
Many americans have direct ties and not just links to indian ancestors. It is not any real claim to fame or political advantage.
She or her parents and/or grandparents would likely have been involved in the forced sale of their lands in the South and their relocation like to Oklahoma.
We shall see.
My instinct is to call bull and unfortunately for them they have tread onto my turf here. I’ll get back to y’all later today on this.
isn’t cherokee one of those “catchall” tribal relations? IOW since there was so much intermarriage a claim can be stated for just about anyone. (as long as you don’t also claim a piece of the casinos)
Its been reported her ancestors were part of the Fugarwee tribe.
I’m Native American, too, according to Romney.
Tribe of Levi.
A few reasons for this are:
Sure..so do lots of people. My wife’s g-grandmother was we think Iroquois or part Iroquois and a DNA ancestry test confirmed that there were Native American markers in the family DNA. However, that is a long way being an enrolled member of a recognized Indian tribe, being raised in tribal traditions or even having a family memory of tribal customs or traditions. Gee maybe my wife should portray herself as Native American and share in the profits of tribal casinos, get minority scholarships and maybe even a college professorship position teaching Native American Studies.
Everything counts or you wouldn’t be here.
So now is she going to come out singing, “CHEROKEE PEOPLE....CHEROKEE TRIBE....”
A genealogist”
Mormons are into geneaology.
plus this is Massachusetts.
I knew it! Romney is helping Elizabeth Warren!
Where are they???
Pre-1960's, intermarriage and assimilation was seen as a necessity to ensure tribal survival.
Post-1960's, rules on minimum blood (usually at least one grandparent) were generally imposed in order to limit tribal membership and ensure greater distribution of "stuff" to those on the team. Smaller teams = more goodies to distribute. Some tribal lines can be combined to claim membership such as the Mandan and Arikara in North Dakota. Most cannot. Thus, if you are 1/8th Cherokee and 1/8th Sioux, your combined 1/4th doesn't count for either tribe.
I’m 100% native American. Honest. I was born in upstate New York!
It’s up to the US Government”
Isn’t it also up to the Tribe? At least to a certain extent? I know plenty of people who have joined later in life and they go to the tribe and present their case, usually in the form of documentation. I sort of thought the Tribe had the last word (of course, their discretion might be defined by the US).
Interesting body of law, for sure.
In any event, I am pretty sure that Warren has not been very involved in Cherokee activities. I doubt if she has ever even set foot in Oklahoma.
15% of the people in Oklahoma claim Indian ancestry/affiliation in the census. That's a lot more than claim membership.
I've never met a reservation Indian who would go back. They're just like everybody else once they get out of that sort of environment.
Br'r(ess) Warren is a hard core member of the 1%, has a doctorate, works at Harvard, etc., etc. If she'd been a Shinancock Indian she'd had to raise ducks for a living and shovel day old bread out of the back of a pickup truck all the time.
See the difference?
During the 1500s Spain established a substantial infrastructure along the Mississippi, the Ohio, the St. Joseph and the Great miami Rivers ~ today almost all of that history is nothing but a jotting in an old family Bible, or a tracing on the ground, or maybe a boundry marker with words.
People are putting it together on the internet in a hundred communities where it is meaningful.
Eventually we'll be opening up the deerhides at Fonda NY and finding out what they say.
There are “genealogists” who can show any paying client to be descended from whomever they want. If I wanted to be a descendant of Mary Queen of Scots, voila, *some* genealogist would draw that line. This particular genealogist’s bona fides bear a look.
Yep, EVERY ONE of your ancestors (all the way back) lived long enough to reproduce. What are the odds against that?
My son is related to you. His grandmother was a Boling, direct decendant. He’s known as CUZ to many in Rev Peyton’s Big Damn Band. Guess he really is your cuz!
Whatever rules the Indians have does not in any way change the way the US government looks at that tribe when it comes to "recognition". They could say (as one band of Cherokee have done) black people can't be Cherokee. The US government set the standard that the black slaves the Cherokee took with them to Oklahoma were also Cherokee. The issue is "recognition" not DNA ~ and then DNA (to a small degree since adoption can fix those deficiencies), and then having an ancestor on the rolls (if there are rolls) ~ with some of the rolls actually being US government rolls!
The Oneida and Canandagua Indians found their lands sold off by the State of New York when the state said 'Hey, white people can't be Indians, and all the Oneida are white people, so they must move off their lands".
The Oneida had long been in the habit of bringing in Europeans to teach and do skilled trades and teach advanced farming techniques ~ and make guns ~ lots of guns ~ so many your eyes would spin in their sockets.
During the British colonial period the Brits didn't interfere with Oneida business. During the Revolution the Oneida were American allies. After the Revolution the Oneida encountered the state of New York which didn't recognize US government treaties.
Complex business all around.
In my neighborhood, having an ancestor at Bunker Hill is nice. But my great grandmother and Dom De Luise’s great grandmother being sisters.... now THAT gets you into the Bocce Club.
My ancestors had to shovel shit.....and they didn’t have a pickup. Where’s my money?
Tribe of Levi.
HA! I was just going to post that I have NO, Native American blood in me, so does that exclude me from running for the Senate.
But all I have to say now, is You and Me Both Brother!
Did they use proportional fonts in 1894?
Interesting stuff. This and your post #38.
I'm not sure we can state with 100% certainty that ALL the oldest colonial families have an Indian ancestor because there is probably an exception somewhere.
It would certainly be accurate to state nearly all or the older the colonial family, then the greater the probability.
Due to the small size of the gene pool, there is a high probability that anyone who had ancestors in America before 1670 is related. For instance, my wife and I both are descendants of a Rev. John Crandall, an early Baptist minister in Rhode Island and contemporary of Roger Williams.
But there would still be exceptions to the 1670 rule. A handful of people imported brides from the old country to avoid intermarriage with either the Native Americans or their relatives already in America.
Post-1670, America became a place to expel undesireables such as debtors, paupers and petty criminals, so the gene pool greatly enlarged after that point.
Just spent a bit this morning reading about Napoleon Bonaparte and Josephine. Now that was a hoity toity bunch.
Both had American/Caribbean roots. Napoleon's baby daddy, who lied about the family genealogy to get him into military school, spent time in NY and PA back in the colonial period, and Josephine grew up in a sugar plantation.
These two had money or latched onto money, and because the two most famous people in Europe with American roots until Eisenhower and Wallace Simpson!
There were a lot of guys and not many women. Most habitations were hardly fit for the most rugged ~ the death rate was incredible.
About the 1670s it became popular to send people to America ~ free rides!
George Washington's genealogy depends on men who probably changed their names.
I was born on a small island off the northeastern coast of the United States. My ancestors paid Granny Warren's ancestors 24 dollars for it.
My father paid several Scottish (and state approved) genealogists in the 70’s to do family research from the original records.
After the internet (and the LDS church) put copies of the original documents on-line you can see a lot of “wishful thinking” in the reports he received.
An interesting thing about almost all of the Puritan era genealogies (1620-1670 or thereabouts) is that they are only 4-5 generations away from the Plantagenet royal lines.
The Plantagenet dynasty, of course, fought the bloody War of the Roses over which branch would rule England only to yield to the equally dysfunctional and much shorter lived Tudor dynasty, when Henry VII was victorious at Bosworth Field.
The Plantagenet's had dropped scores of illegitimate children (along with a lesser number of the legitimate variety) into the bloodlines of British Isles, many of whom can trace their lineage back to the most reprehensible English monarchs like John I or Edward I, who were famed for spreading their seed about.
One of the few positive contributions of the Tudor line was to make appointments based on merit rather than lineage as the rival Plantagenet's greatly outnumbered the Tudors and generally did not get installed into positions of trust until after the reign of Elizabeth I, the last Tudor monarch.
While some of the Plantagenet line displayed loyalty to the House of Stuart, especially James I, who wanted to pacify and unify the country, a great many more rebelled against the excesses of Charles I and Archbishop Ladd, the first great wave emigrating to the new world as persecuted puritans in the 1620's and 1630's and the second after the restoration of the House of Stuart in the late 1650's thru 1670's, when the House of Stuart was finally booted out for good and the American colonies became as much a dumping ground for undesirables expelled from the old country as a destination for religious refugees.
LOL! Of course! It’s in the same folder as Obama’s original birth certificate and college transcripts! And it only took four days to find, unlike Obama’s Selective Service Card or Harvard records, which remain lost after 30 years...
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