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America's deadly devotion to guns
theguardian.co.uk ^ | 16 April 2012 | Gary Younge

Posted on 04/18/2012 9:24:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog

At an organising breakfast for National Rifle Association (NRA) grassroots activists, Samuel Richardson, a man with whom I have not exchanged a word, passes me a note. "Please read the book Injustice by Adams," it reads. "He was [sic] lawyer for US Justice Department who prosecuted Black Panther Case." Quite why Richardson thinks this book is for me is not clear. There are six other people at the table, a couple of them journalists. The fact I am the only black person in a room of around 200 may have something to do with it.

J Christian Adams, a former department of justice lawyer, resigned after the department decided not to prosecute members of the New Black Panther party who brandished guns and intimidated poll watchers outside a voting station in Philadelphia in 2008. Several attorneys, including Republicans, have argued that while the case was serious it did not warrant the department's resources. Adams believed there were darker forces at play, claiming the case "gave the public a glimpse of the racially discriminatory worldview" of the department under Obama.

Richardson goes further. The press and the government are in cahoots, he explains, to oppress white people. "It's fascistic," he explains. "It's just like Hitler did. Discriminating against one ethnic group and claiming that they're the cause of everything that's wrong. It's what happened in Rwanda," intimating that white Americans, like Tutsis, could one day find themselves systematically slaughtered in their own land.

It would be easy to ridicule the NRA. Billboards for its national convention all around St Louis promise "acres of guns and gear". In the exhibition hall they are giving two free guns, twice a day, to anyone wearing a sticker that says "Ambush", and they are selling semi-automatics in pink camouflage.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunlobby; omggunnuts
Long article.

Some interesting comments.

1 posted on 04/18/2012 9:24:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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2 posted on 04/18/2012 9:27:48 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smokingfrog

Dear U.K.

Get over it. American riflemen and natural born patriotic freemen kicked your ass. Let it go.


3 posted on 04/18/2012 9:35:20 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Dear U.K.

Get over it. American riflemen and natural born patriotic freemen kicked your ass. Let it go.


And before the US entered World War II, we sent thousands of guns over to England to help arm their Home Guard against the anticipated Nazi invasion.


4 posted on 04/18/2012 9:39:55 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: smokingfrog

Fomenting racism won’t give leftist Britons (see source of article) any edge against our Second Amendment. Most US Democrat voters are now also in favor of our right to bear arms. Firearms are in style.


5 posted on 04/18/2012 9:41:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

I often have fantasies that other pro-freedom organizations could be as focused and successful as the NRA.


6 posted on 04/18/2012 9:44:03 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: smokingfrog
An intro to another of the newspaper employee's columns.

Trayvon Martin: a killing too far

Outrage at the death of Trayvon Martin is finally lifting the lid on the US's racist underbelly

Get I wonder how he would introduce a story about the killing of whites by blacks.. killings that occur many times more often the whites killing blacks. Maybe something like..

"Brother scores one for us victims against the gun-lovin' honky mf'ers"

7 posted on 04/18/2012 9:45:35 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: smokingfrog

Interesting, to say the least-one MORON thinks thousands of “armed Americans” will be in London for the Olympics. How will they GET there with a handgun- they won’t let you board an aircraft with one!


8 posted on 04/18/2012 9:46:19 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: musicman

Expanded my collection a bit this week with the purchase of a 10/22. Had just about every type of gun someone would want for defense, but didn’t have a .22 of all things. lol

The thing is a joy to shoot, and surprisingly accurate out of the box.


9 posted on 04/18/2012 9:51:04 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
A Wee Historical Reminder for the Brits...
10 posted on 04/18/2012 9:51:27 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: smokingfrog

Consider the source:

Gary Younge, speaker at the Marxism 2012 Festival:
http://www.marxismfestival.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=166&Itemid=104

Guardian columnist Gary Younge returns to Marxism this year to look at Obama’s first year and a half in power and the response it has drawn from the US right. He will also introduce a discussion around identity, the subject of his new book.
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=224420

Communist University:
Riots are a class act - and often they’re the only alternative by Gary Younge
http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/2005-11-16,+Riots+are+a+class+act,+Gary+Younge,+Guardian


11 posted on 04/18/2012 9:52:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: smokingfrog

“The right to bear arms shall not be infringed”. The word “shall” carries the force of law. The government, bound by the Constitution, is required to abide by the law, period. May the powers to be ignore Constitutional law at their own peril. If they break the laws, they pay the price.


12 posted on 04/18/2012 9:52:21 PM PDT by factoryrat (e are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: musicman
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13 posted on 04/18/2012 9:54:05 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

The Guardian UK is the most anti-American newspaper over the Atlantic. They’re editors even idiotically tried to arrest Dick Cheney so don’t bunch this ass-wipe excuse of a newspaper for the Brits in general.


14 posted on 04/18/2012 9:54:50 PM PDT by max americana
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To: factoryrat

In California there is no 2nd amendment. “Bear arms” I think means to actually carry them, not keep them locked in a safe in your house, which is about the only way you can have guns in this crazy state.


15 posted on 04/18/2012 9:59:42 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: smokingfrog

After reading the (typically, I’m sorry to say) supercilious anti-gun screed of this resident Brit, and quite a few of the comments that followed by his countrymen, I’m reminded of an encounter I had with one of our allies:
Me (paraphrasing my creaky memory): “In this country we consider ourselves to be citizens, with express rights enumerated in our Constitution. You guys have no written Constitution and still consider yourselves to be `subjects.’”
His response: “I don’t consider myself to be a subject.”
My reply: “Then I charge you with treason to the crown and award you the title of `Honorary American’.”

As much as I value our alliance with our cousins, this was probably my favorite comment:
“Isn’t the Atlantic Ocean wonderful?”


16 posted on 04/18/2012 10:02:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (Christopher Hitchens, RIP)
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To: KoRn

This is my favorite 22 of all time, Ruger sr22 which is a 10/22 fully outfitted with AR-15 parts. On a bipod with a red dot site you can put bullets through the same hole @ 50 yds.

17 posted on 04/18/2012 10:04:55 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: baddog 219


18 posted on 04/18/2012 10:05:39 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smokingfrog

The Lefts lies are really getting old and tiresome.


19 posted on 04/18/2012 10:08:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: reardensteel

Constitution trumps state’s rights. California has gone off the deep end. People are leaving the state of nuts and flakes in droves. California is the result of left wing politics gone horribly wrong. Unfortunately, there’s still a lot of good people there who are stuck in the middle of all of the liberal crap.


20 posted on 04/18/2012 10:08:34 PM PDT by factoryrat (e are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: KoRn

10-22’s are NICE and the capability of different style “ad-ons” are almost endless and plentyful (including “clips”).


21 posted on 04/18/2012 10:09:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

plentyful = plentiful ....geezz...sorry


22 posted on 04/18/2012 10:12:06 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep.

Those UK riots would not have gone on for nearly as long as they did if more honest citizens were allowed to own guns.


23 posted on 04/18/2012 10:15:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Title needs barf alert.

I made a mess.

Thank You. :)


24 posted on 04/18/2012 10:20:24 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: smokingfrog

Brits still can’t handle we beat their asses. Without guns we’d still be subjects to the damn queen.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 10:49:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: musicman

One of the best rifles to have on hand.


26 posted on 04/18/2012 10:50:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: smokingfrog
The trouble is that, left in the hands of individuals, each gets to define their own version of tyranny and potentially undermine democracy with their firearms.

Hardly. One or even ten guys alone aren't going to decide to overthrow the government and succeed in anything but suicide by cop. "Democracy" is undermined by politicians who don't give a flying fig about the rule of law.

27 posted on 04/18/2012 10:51:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smokingfrog

Where’s the barf alert?


28 posted on 04/18/2012 10:52:43 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: smokingfrog

Dear Mr. Younge, you Marxist pimple on humanity’s arse, our forefather’s unerringly saw the wisdom of maintaining a right to keep and bear arms and threw the British boot heel off of our throats because of it. Now it rests on yours because you were too weak and deluded to keep your government masters from taking all means of resisting them from you. In fact you were so stupid you helped them. Enjoy your subjugation!


29 posted on 04/18/2012 11:07:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smokingfrog
...in a country with high levels of inequality, poverty and segregation, such as America...

Lying propagandist. What more needs to be said?

30 posted on 04/18/2012 11:15:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Missouri representative Jeanette Oxford, who represents a district in St Louis, disagrees. “From the outset violence was enforced with weapons of various kinds in North America,” she says. “I think the ability to enforce your right through might is ingrained in us.”

The strong can’t tyranize the weak if, and only if, the weak are armed.

Rep Jeantte Oxford is a Democrap, of course. Her position is satirized by her own appearance - rather obese and fitting for a Democratic “Trough Feeder”.


31 posted on 04/18/2012 11:39:22 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: chris37
That's a decent looking rifle. My last purchase was from Magnum Research. They made a custom receiver to Ruger specs with an integral Picatinny rail, carbon fiber barrel and skeletonized stock. I had to replace the firing pin and hammer spring to get it to shoot reliably. It was just fine after those minor fixes. A note on their site now addresses the problem. Quality ammo in their "Benz" high accuracy chamber. They recommend CCI Standard velocity ammo for proper cycling. The "stinger" cases are too long for the chamber. The color scheme for the stock is "Forest Camo".


32 posted on 04/18/2012 11:57:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Lovely rifle wow!

That skeletal stock is just fantastic.

I have found that shooting cheap Remington .22 lr ammo out of the sr22 will cause the gun to jam from time to time. It’s easy to clear, but that does frustrate. Same thing happens in my standard Ruger 10/22 if I use the same Remington ammo.


33 posted on 04/19/2012 12:13:35 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
The MR rifle is light as a feather and perfectly balanced in your left hand. My wife opted for the 17M2 version. Both are very accurate and pleasant to shoot. I opted for a CZ 452 Varmint bolt action for my 17M2 rifle. It's a a real tack driver. Checking their site, it was discontinued in 2010. I hope that isn't indicative of an issue of ammo availability. No opportunity to go to the range for the last 3 years :-(
34 posted on 04/19/2012 12:24:04 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: chris37
Is that bad little puppy perchance available in .17 Rem., or .22 WMR ?
35 posted on 04/19/2012 1:17:23 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: smokingfrog

As Muslims, political correctness and cultural diversity destroy the UK, the time will come when the victims will wish they were armed.


36 posted on 04/19/2012 12:42:39 PM PDT by pallis
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To: lentulusgracchus

No, I don’t think so. It is strictly a Ruger 10/22 barrel and receiver with specially made ar-15 parts. It is capable of using all Ruger 10/22 accessories as well as ar-15 accessories, and as far as I know it only fires .22 lr ammo.

It’s kind of like shooting an ar-15 with really inexpensive ammo, which is nice. Very fun to shoot this weapon, and with a bipod and red dot, it is so accurate it’s frightening.


37 posted on 04/19/2012 12:45:19 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: eclecticEel

I am amazed when people call the NRA successful as there are huge swaths of land in this nation where people cannot carry guns.


38 posted on 04/19/2012 12:46:19 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: eclecticEel

I am amazed when people call the NRA successful as there are huge swaths of land in this nation where people cannot carry guns.


39 posted on 04/19/2012 12:46:31 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Dear U.K. Get over it. American riflemen and natural born patriotic freemen kicked your ass. Let it go.

Damn right. 237 years ago today, as a matter of fact, when the Brits in question were trying to take our guns.

They can kiss my ass and go back to the other side of the Pond and stay there.

40 posted on 04/19/2012 11:47:15 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: KoRn

yeah, the 10/22, bought one back in the 80’s for about $60,

have put about 3000 rounds thru it over the years, great little gun , pefect for plinking. and with a 25 round clip, its a lot of fun.


41 posted on 04/19/2012 11:56:24 AM PDT by tm61 (somewhere in chicago, a ward is missing it's crook)
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To: smokingfrog
I read the whole thing. I know the Brit press hates guns and gun owners, no news there. But the real takeway for me is this:

OPSEC, PEOPLE!

For God's sake, why would you discuss SHTF if front of some stranger with a Britsh accent?? Why would you pass the only black guy in the room-and a perfect stranger to boot-a note referencing the Black Panthers?? Some of us, me included, are still treating our politics like a game. It is not: it is deadly serious and the other guys are playing for keeps. They ARE taking names. Loose lips sink ships and also destroy careers, families and ultimately lives. Just a couple of suggestions based on the article:

1. Don't talk guns, prepping, SHTF, race or anti-guv within earshot of ANYONE you don't know well. This goes double for gun shows/shops. No matter where you are anybody from the ATF to the NYPD to some little sh*t reporter from a British newspaper could be listening. Just because you are among friends doesn't mean a thing. Look around. See who is listening, or who could be listening. Don't suppose that because someone is at the next table that he can't hear you.

2. Get over the idea that this stuff is fun to chat about and cool stop treating it like a hobby. The French Resistance wasn't in it for fun...if they'd been yukking it up in the Parisian cafes about those great new Sten guns the British had sent over the Nazis would have had them all rounded up inside of a week. As far as everyone outside INCLUDING FAMILY is concerned, you don't prep, you don't own any modern guns and you may not be thrilled with Obama but politics is no big deal. You'd rather talk about sports, or horticulture, or Shackleton's failed Antarctic expedition or ANYTHING other than guns or prepping or SHTF. "Keep it secret, keep it safe."

3. Cops get nothing until your lawyer is present. Reporters get nothing, ever. If you see cameras or microphones, skedaddle.

3A. If you want to dance around in front of the media and protest with empty holsters or open carry or whatnot, that is fine as long as you are mentally and physically prepared to not reveal what you know under torture, and to die in agony without revealing said information. Count the cost. Is it worth it? What about others?

We are acting like kids playing an adult game. It's a good way to lose.

42 posted on 04/19/2012 12:39:30 PM PDT by jboot
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To: tumblindice

The British arent subjects, contrary to myth. We have been ‘citizens’ since the Nationality Act of 1981.


43 posted on 04/19/2012 3:37:49 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh; backwoods-engineer

Younge is a notorious leftie, and the Guardian hardly speaks for the average Brit.


44 posted on 04/19/2012 3:38:51 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

“natural born patriotic freemen “

Are there “unatural born” people? “Freemen”? Are you one of THOSE kooks, the “Freemen”?


45 posted on 04/19/2012 4:05:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it ain't Newt, we're screwt !)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"I am amazed when people call the NRA successful as there are huge swaths of land in this nation where people cannot carry guns."

I think it's pretty pathetic that there are, as quoted by wikianswers: "Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun(that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns). there are about 80 million gun owners in America with a combining total of 258 million guns."

And the total NRA membership in the U.S. is 4 million? That's what is really pathetic and amazing. People need to get off of their dead asses and become members. Say what you will, even though people don't always agree with the NRA, they are the largest organization that is working in our favor to stop the dismal tide of anti gun efforts.

46 posted on 04/21/2012 2:19:43 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy
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