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Green Germany: Half A Million Families Sitting In The Dark [translation]
Die Welt ^ | 21 Feb 2012 | Philipp Mueller (tran.)

Posted on 02/23/2012 7:09:16 AM PST by AFPhys

Many households in Germany are no longer able to pay their electricity bills. As a result, around half a million households are sitting in the dark.

The sharp price increases for electricity and gas is leading to serious payment problems for more and more consumers – even to dark apartments. Because of unpaid bills an estimated 600,000 households in Germany had their power cut off in 2010, said the consumer watch dog Verbraucherzentrale Nordrhein-Westfalen which is based in Düsseldorf. This estimate is based on a survey of local energy providers in Germany’s most populous state.

"Price increases of around 15 percent for electricity and gas in the past two years have made energy for many households unaffordable", said CEO Klaus Mueller. The increasing fuel poverty is alarming. What is more, ever tighter household budgets and regularly lacking competence in keeping personal finances in check are turning claims arising from unpaid energy bills quickly into an insurmountable cost trap.

Three-quarters of the 58 companies that responded to questions from the NRW consumer group reported growing problems related to energy debt and power outages. In 2010, the surveyed utilities in North Rhine-Westphalia alone sent out three million reminders for unpaid electricity bill. They issued 340,000 blocking threats and cut off power to 62,000 customers.

According to extrapolations by consumer protection groups, power has been cut off to about 120,000 households in NRW alone and to about 600,000 households nationwide. The estimates of the energy companies are consistent with the experience of the consumer advocates. A spokeswoman from the NRW consumer watch dog added that their consumer advice increasingly focuses on the question of how to comply with payment obligations towards energy suppliers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climategate; climategate2; electricbills; electricity; failedgreen; germanyelectricity; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax
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Don't forget the following facts when reading this:

Germany is easily the strongest economy in Europe.

Germany's economy is NOT suffering a recession now, and in fact is reasonably OK

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What should the German people expect from their "green" electricity generation in the coming years when their economy is cyclically weak?

1 posted on 02/23/2012 7:09:24 AM PST by AFPhys
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To: AFPhys

If this is going on in the “strong” “green” economy, what is going to happen to those who are weak... indeed, what is occurring now?


2 posted on 02/23/2012 7:11:03 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys

You’d think Germany would be smarter than this, but maybe all the money they’ve been squandering on trying to keep Greece afloat was money they could have spent on better and more economical electric service at home. This is not going to sit well with the average German.


3 posted on 02/23/2012 7:12:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: AFPhys

If we can ever develop massive power generation say from hydrogen extracted from H20 we can tell those fat OPEC sheiks to go pee in the sand. Its criminal how much fuel costs.
Let them eat their oil instead.


4 posted on 02/23/2012 7:14:41 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: AFPhys

Green is the new red.

The commies love this. They will be happy when people everywhere live in mud huts, and survive on berries and other assorted wild plants.


5 posted on 02/23/2012 7:18:42 AM PST by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: AFPhys
Germany's economy is NOT suffering a recession now, and in fact is reasonably OK

When accounting tricks are used to hide the true numbers, then Germany is a great economy and growing ....

6 posted on 02/23/2012 7:18:52 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: tflabo
Its criminal how much fuel costs.

"Under my administation prices for electricity will necessarilly skyrocket." B. Obama - 2008. A campaign promise kept.

Oops! Wrong country!

7 posted on 02/23/2012 7:19:36 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AFPhys

That is exactly the kind of thing leftists want. They want the human race t go back to the stoneage, except for themselves of course.


8 posted on 02/23/2012 7:20:17 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: tflabo

So where are we going to get the energy to seperate hydrogen from oxygen? Where are we going to store the hydrogen? This not a solution.


9 posted on 02/23/2012 7:21:30 AM PST by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is not enough)
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To: AFPhys

Shut down your nuclear plants and sit in the dark. That’s what they voted for.


10 posted on 02/23/2012 7:21:54 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You’d think Germany would be smarter than this, but maybe all the money they’ve been squandering on trying to keep Greece afloat was money they could have spent on better and more economical electric service at home.

You'd think that Germany knows exactly what it is doing, just as it always has.

This is not going to sit well with the average German.

The average German has long ago learned to accept that which the government deigns to give them. It's that famed German Discipline ...

11 posted on 02/23/2012 7:22:02 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: AFPhys

This is the Obama dream for Americans.

Once he gets the price of gasoline and electricity high enough consumption will drop significantly.

Then he will claim he has reduced reliance on petroleum and coal, reduced pollution and turned America “Green”.


12 posted on 02/23/2012 7:24:16 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: AFPhys
US fascist democrats are more experienced liars and have worked to keep the economy in disaster mode in order hide the real effects of their "green" policies.
Like their Nazi heroes in the thirties, they had a patsy to blame the economy on in hopes of having everyone focus on the patsy rather than the fact that the government is the real problem. That's what the whole "Occupy" mess is about, a failed attempt by the Fascists to have people chase the boogieman they've singled out rather than looking at the facts.

They have another boogieman in the wings, though, one they can blame for all sorts of economic and social ills. Before summer, they'll have protests against their new enemy and patsy.

13 posted on 02/23/2012 7:27:58 AM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: AFPhys
A few other facts.

* Germany has a population of 81.4 million.
* Average household size in Germany (2008) is 2.2. So we are only talking about 1.6% of German households not having power.

This is manageable at the moment, but could break bad if there is any sort of economic disruption in Germany. Unfortunately Angela Merkel has shackled them to Greece economic disruption seems fairly likely. Push that number up to 5% of households and you will start getting riots.
14 posted on 02/23/2012 7:28:42 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GeronL

Liberals support rationing of commodities even when plentiful.
They see themselves as handing out rations based on “fairness.”


15 posted on 02/23/2012 7:29:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: brownsfan

North Korea wins, here we go.

THey were so ahead of our times, indeed.


16 posted on 02/23/2012 7:29:54 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: blueunicorn6

Soon the Greeks can send the Germans tons of drachmas to burn to stay warm

Seriously 600,000 German households without power?????
Back to the dark ages


17 posted on 02/23/2012 7:31:15 AM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: AFPhys

It’s also important to note that Frau Merkel just recently decided that Germany didn’t need nuclear power any more.

So let’s see what German’s think: Are you more concerned about the *potential* for man made global warming in a few hundred years, maybe; or about freezing to death in the dark right now?


18 posted on 02/23/2012 7:31:57 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: AFPhys

It’s also important to note that Frau Merkel just recently decided that Germany didn’t need nuclear power any more.

So let’s see what Germans think: Are you more concerned about the *potential* for man made global warming in a few hundred years, maybe; or about freezing to death in the dark right now?


19 posted on 02/23/2012 7:32:09 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: blueunicorn6

Not only have they shut down (I believe) six nukes, Russia has decided they are not able to export natural gas to them now since it is needed in Russia.

Oh, but the Germans have all those windmills, right?

This all said, I am not clear that there are any electricity “shortages” in Germany that account for the darkness - it appears instead that the price of electricity has risen so much that many homes can no longer afford it.

Just as with the price of gasoline, the cure for this is more supply - but the dolts who believe in socialism worldwide can’t get it through their thick heads that working on the supply problem requires thinking ahead, and compensating people who do that service handsomely. They would rather freeze in the dark, I guess.


20 posted on 02/23/2012 7:32:38 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: blueunicorn6
Shut down your nuclear plants and sit in the dark. That’s what they voted for.

Not just that. Then they took all their energy investment capital and put it into solar, with a negative financial return and negligible energy return.

21 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:03 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Nice stats posted!


22 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:24 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

and they expect us to fall on our faces in gratefulness to them for it!


23 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:43 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AFPhys

Coming soon to an electric bill near you.


24 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:57 AM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

no one in power wants more economical electric service, they want “green” and “sustainable” electric service which is much more expensive even with massive subsidies.


25 posted on 02/23/2012 7:35:59 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Indeed, the German power management is so ridiculous. I was paying back then electricity that I was not even using. It was like a straight up fee of $50 a month and then usage was added on top of that. Never told me why or why not, I had no clue at what they were doing. I just stopped paying and used candles and firewood in my appartment.


26 posted on 02/23/2012 7:37:24 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: bgill

It’s already here in Texas, we spent billions and billions on wind turbines and new power lines to the wind farms....

we had coal power plants shut down....

Oh, and when its hottest here, in August.... the wind doesn’t blow.

I think we are looking at rolling blackouts this summer.


27 posted on 02/23/2012 7:41:09 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: brownsfan

“The commies love this. They will be happy when people everywhere live in mud huts, and survive on berries and other assorted wild plants.”

*

That’s their intention...and they call us conservatives “anti-science”. They’re the ones who want to us go back to the stone age in order to worship mother Gaia. Why can’t these libtards just kill themselves and offer their worthless bodies as fertilizer to help their god?


28 posted on 02/23/2012 7:41:33 AM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: AFPhys
The more radical Greens (all over the world) believe we have too many people on the planet.
They would like to see half or more of humans eradicated. They view human life as a parasite. Many Nazi parallels in my opinion
29 posted on 02/23/2012 7:44:23 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: tflabo

If we’d get our elected off their stumps, we’d have oil and natural gas flowing. But NO, they stand by nobama’s vetos to stop our off shore drilling, and drilling on land too. We’d have cheap gas for us and cheap gas for the world. THAT’S WHAT the arabs are paying our elected and former elected for. Keep our oil fields from operating to keep the arab sheiks and royals wealthy.


30 posted on 02/23/2012 7:46:30 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Rashputin

And it’s basically the same “patsy”. What ethnic - religious image springs to mind when you throw out the words “Rich, Wall Street, Bankers, Speculators ...”? The cartoon characters with large noses and Stars of David are already showing up on the OWS and other such brown shirt (although this time it’s the underwear that’s brown) protest signs.


31 posted on 02/23/2012 7:48:19 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I wonder if the radical greens have quit producing off-spring to help nature take care of those who produce off-spring? (incquiring minds would like to know)


32 posted on 02/23/2012 7:53:36 AM PST by tillacum
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To: silverleaf
Seriously 600,000 German households without power?????

That is 1.6% of German households. If we assume that they are the poorest, otherwise they would just pay the bill right, that probably means they are concentrated in the 2.4% of their population that is Turkish or the 6% from the Balkans. Do you honestly think Germans are going to get bent out of shape because some Turks or Greeks sit in the dark?
33 posted on 02/23/2012 7:55:52 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: tillacum
I wonder if the radical greens have quit producing off-spring to help nature take care of those who produce off-spring.

Well Germans in general have. Their population is shrinking (-0.208%) rather quickly despite immigration. And their average age is up to 44.9 years. In comparison the US population has an average age of 36.9 years and a growth rate of 0.963%. If you think we have a problem with social security the Germans are positively screwed. Bigger benefits, older population and no kids coming up to pay the bills.

You have to love the CIA World Factbook. Great data on the countries of the world. Just knowing about the place often explains why they do what they do. For example Germany needs a strong Euro, because a strong common currency allows them to invest in other economies and pay off their massive Social Security bills. No matter how strong they are today Germany needs the Euro or they are toast due to an aging population.
34 posted on 02/23/2012 8:04:44 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: AFPhys

I know of a country that has trillions of tons of cheap coal that it could sell them.

Oh, I forgot that is considered ‘dirty’ power.


35 posted on 02/23/2012 8:09:21 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: AFPhys

“under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket…”


36 posted on 02/23/2012 8:13:45 AM PST by null and void (Day 1129 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: AFPhys
Germany doing reasonably “Ok” equates to 2.7% growth in GDP, a per capita GDP nearly 20~25% lower than in the US and 7.1% unemployment, the normal mediocrity and malaise that is considered the good times in a pseudo socialist economy. 3% GDP growth and ~7% unemployed is the norm, not some recession where politicians get booted from office as Bush H., Bush W. and is even causing Obama trouble.

It's a matter of perspective.

37 posted on 02/23/2012 8:13:45 AM PST by Red6
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To: Bob Buchholz
If the US can not use coal why not sell it to Germany.

We would be rich while sitting in the dark.(/s)

38 posted on 02/23/2012 8:15:20 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: brownsfan
The commies love this. They will be happy when people everywhere live in mud huts, and survive on berries and other assorted wild plants.

Um. No. Harvesting wild berries and plants would be forbidden.

39 posted on 02/23/2012 8:15:35 AM PST by null and void (Day 1129 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: GonzoGOP

Thank you for providing good context. I wonder what the US percent without power is.


40 posted on 02/23/2012 8:16:36 AM PST by Mizpah ((Teach your children how to think, not what to think.))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Liberals do not see people as rational, which is the basis of our legal and economic system.

They subscribe to an elitist world view where a few decide over the “masses.”

An unprincipled world view, they are willing to sacrifice freedom for some “sense” of security and circumnavigate the Constitution, suspend all Biblical values to this end.

Ultimately, every socialist only believes in his socialism because he thinks that he is either in a position of power, well enough connected to those in power, or savvy enough to game the system to his advantage. Only a few naive and kids believe in some ethical higher purpose in this system, while the vast majority are motivated by greed and envy, fueled by leaders that preach class warfare.

41 posted on 02/23/2012 8:20:51 AM PST by Red6
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To: Rashputin
Before summer, they'll have protests against their new enemy and patsy.

Who will that be?

42 posted on 02/23/2012 8:23:10 AM PST by null and void (Day 1129 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: AFPhys

I’m sure our esteemed leader could advise the Germans on how to handle this. The government just needs to declare energy an entitlement and tell the power companies to deliver it for free to those who can’t pay. End of problem.


43 posted on 02/23/2012 8:24:11 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: GonzoGOP

Population control freaks are the reason why you have to have fewer than 2 kids to hold local government office in India or something like that.


44 posted on 02/23/2012 8:24:48 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GonzoGOP

I hear in India you have to have fewer than 2 kids to hold a local government office or something like that.


45 posted on 02/23/2012 8:27:04 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: brownsfan
Green is the new red.

Hey I have the copy right on that line! :)

46 posted on 02/23/2012 8:27:51 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This is only the tip of the iceberg the consumers are paying for wind/solar there. Wait until the taxes are hiked again to increase the subsidies.


47 posted on 02/23/2012 8:28:47 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: JeanLM

Never. The energy required to break the chemical bonds betwen oxygen and hydrogen in water greatly exceeds the energy in the freed hydrogen. Hydrogen from water is and always will be a net energy loser.


48 posted on 02/23/2012 8:32:36 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: JeanLM
Where are we going to store the hydrogen?

A new business venture....Zeppelin ranches.

49 posted on 02/23/2012 8:33:16 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: GonzoGOP
It is the consequence of “socialism,” a word which makes people snicker and laugh.

What is the value of a family and marriage in such a society?

What is the value and worth of children in such a society?

At the end of the day, other peoples kids, raised and brainwashed in public institutions, will take care of those who decided to have no children and live into the day. Socialism tears out the foundation of any society, the family and children. But this is a long term consequence.

In the little town I grew up in, Walldorf Germany we have three swinger clubs. There older people, mostly childless or at most with one can get their hedonistic pleasure. Who wants kids? They cost money, time, impede one’s career, commit one to another person, and social as well as sex life!

50 posted on 02/23/2012 8:36:56 AM PST by Red6
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