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Santorum: Obama leads with a 'different theology' (because he's NOT a Christian)
cnn ^ | 2/18/2012 | Chris Welch and Gregory Wallace

Posted on 02/18/2012 7:42:30 PM PST by tobyhill

Rick Santorum drew applause from Ohio tea party voters - but perhaps raised some eyebrows, too - when he suggested Saturday that President Barack Obama leads based on a theology different from that in the Bible.

It left some wondering whether he was implying that Obama subscribes to a religion other than Christianity.

The comments came at an event in Columbus shortly after the former senator from Pennsylvania said efficacy and safety improvements in oil drilling technology are considered by the president to be "a dangerous technology."

"It doesn't fit his pattern of trying to drive down consumption, trying to drive up your cost of transportation to accomplish his political science goal of reducing carbon dioxide," he said.

Obama, he continued, is not motivated by "your quality of life.”

“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nomination; ricksantoru; santorum; therealdeal; vest

1 posted on 02/18/2012 7:42:33 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

2 posted on 02/18/2012 7:47:48 PM PST by Colonial Warrior (Help us OB/GYN! You are our only hope!)
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To: tobyhill

Unless the quotes are taken out of context, he sounds as if he is saying that Obama’s motivation is what might be called green extremism. And it’s not really unreasonable to say that, for many on the left, tree hugging is a religion.

He doesn’t appear to be referring to the question of whether Obama is a Muslim. He is, according to Muslim belief. Moreover, there is no evidence that Obama ever was baptized.

But what Santorum is pointing to is that Obama seems to be a true believer in all sorts of leftist fantasies, which are destructive to the citizens he is supposed to be helping.


3 posted on 02/18/2012 7:48:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tobyhill

Allahu Akbar!


4 posted on 02/18/2012 7:48:55 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: tobyhill

Liberation “theology” is not Christian, it is a Marxist ideology packaged as “Christian.” Add an Islamic element, and you have Barry Hussein’s brand of “Christianity” - which does not bow before the Creator, but rather expects all to bow before the “benevolent” Barry Hussein himself.


5 posted on 02/18/2012 7:49:27 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: tobyhill
I prefer the way that Newt takes an opposition to Obama’s destruction better.
6 posted on 02/18/2012 7:49:27 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: 21twelve; Absolutely Nobama; AFPhys; afraidfortherepublic; AmericanInTokyo; ...
Santorum for President Ping List.

FReepmail “Antoninus” to be added or removed.

7 posted on 02/18/2012 7:51:52 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: tobyhill

Good stuff, Rick. Keep it up.


8 posted on 02/18/2012 7:52:16 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: Christie at the beach
I prefer the way that Newt takes an opposition to Obama’s destruction better.

Apparently other people in states with upcoming elections do not agree with you. Look at the polling. GO RICK!!!

9 posted on 02/18/2012 7:55:58 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: tobyhill

I knew the MSM would get their panties in a wad over this. Now, Santorum’s campaign will be off message again.

Btw, I agree with Rick, and was really ticked off when Obama used the national prayer breakfast as an opportunity to twist Christianity to support his leftist ideology. Obama’s religion is liberalism and I really doubt he worships anyone but himself. Still, this is not an argument Santorum can win, imo. Not with the MSM lying to protect Obama.


10 posted on 02/18/2012 7:56:54 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: tobyhill

Mr. Obama took “to whom much is given, much shall be required,” completely out of context, and he took Jesus’ words about being spiritually ready for the second coming and twisted them into meaning that we owe his cronies more of our hard-earned money.

This government is not showing good stewardship of our taxes.

Mr. Santorum should have called him a blasphemer.


11 posted on 02/18/2012 7:59:43 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: tobyhill

Rick is correct. The theology Obama goes by is NOT the one written in the Bible, unless Jeremiah Wright has been doing some writing of his own lately.


12 posted on 02/18/2012 7:59:47 PM PST by madison10
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To: tobyhill
I know Ann Coulter is persona non grata around here since she endorsed Romney, but she does make a very similar argument in her book Godless.

If Santorum's comments do cause some left-leaning Christians to reconsider their support of Obama, then great. But I agree with an earlier poster that this can also get the campaign off-message, and personally I don't think making this election into a theological battle is a good idea.

13 posted on 02/18/2012 8:00:41 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: tobyhill

If Santorum is implying the Bastard in Chief is a Muslim, he’s right.


14 posted on 02/18/2012 8:00:53 PM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: tobyhill

“In the Christian church there are a lot of different stripes of Christianity. . . . I’m just saying he’s imposing his values on the church and I think that’s wrong,” he said.

It’s also unconstitutional. Rick should say that, as that is much more important to me than his personal opinion.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 8:04:10 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: tobyhill


16 posted on 02/18/2012 8:05:36 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: tobyhill

Black Liberation theolgy or if you prefer
BLT


17 posted on 02/18/2012 8:07:33 PM PST by funfan (and his crew)
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To: tobyhill

“Black Liberation Theology” isn’t Christianity in any real sense.


18 posted on 02/18/2012 8:08:28 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: tobyhill

I don’t know, but I doubt that Obama thinks that the Bible is any more the word of God than is the Koran. Or that either is.


19 posted on 02/18/2012 8:08:34 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: tobyhill

Sanfordson


20 posted on 02/18/2012 8:16:01 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: Cicero
what Santorum is pointing to is that Obama seems to be a true believer in all sorts of leftist fantasies, which are destructive to the citizens he is supposed to be helping.

Cicero, Saint Rick should use your statement above to explain himself to the nonbelievers.

21 posted on 02/18/2012 8:22:38 PM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, less baggage, articulate, passionate)
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To: madison10
Obama most likely spent that 20 years asleep in his car out in the parking lot while Rev. Jeremiah pranced around harrumphing this and that on his stage.

Even that little bit of Christian theology (and there's very little of it in Trinity Church of Christ) didn't make its way through his skull.

BTW, believers in Islam also LOVE to have oil wells around! Ask them. Obama doesn't believe oil wells have any benefits, and he fears modern technology ~ or maybe it's "old fashioned technology". This takes us back to the theory that he's from the future ~ hence 57, or 58 states, and problems with the documents attesting to his identity. Obviously intelligence agencies in the future do not have a good grasp on the present.

So, here he is and he hasn't got a clue. And, possibly, Michelle may actually be the giant flying Wookie so many of us believe her to be.

22 posted on 02/18/2012 8:32:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cicero

I just got home. Santorum was the key-note speaker at our Lincoln Day dinner in Akron. About ten idiots held a candlelight vigil ouside the building-they were singing Amazing Grace. Santorum stayed on message and had nothing to say about birth control or abortions. He spoke for about an hour. Guess who got the most coverage on the local news???


23 posted on 02/18/2012 8:38:13 PM PST by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Now living in a newly minted Red State

You do know that Red is the communist color worldwide, and that the communists working at ABCNBCCBSCNN decided to stop calling American states run by marxists RED on election nights like they had been, and started calling Republican states RED to throw off the scent right after Reagan got elected, right?

So in effect, domestic communist propagandists have got the Right in this country calling itself RED.

No wonder they mock us.

By the way, the Santorum Clan in Italy, very RED.

Just a heads up.

24 posted on 02/18/2012 8:39:03 PM PST by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: Theodore R.
Theodore, did you read the article? I did and can't disagree with what Santorum said. Someone changed the title. It does not say (because he's not a Christian). When asked later, Santorum responded “If the president says he’s a Christian, he’s a Christian.”

What's been giving the media the vapors is that Santorum is actually right on the money....they just don't understand it. Here's part of what he said. From the article:

Obama, he continued, is not motivated by "your quality of life.”

“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”


He's RIGHT. Santorum was talking about why obama wasn't in favor of the new pipeline....because it went against obama's agenda. His agenda was to drive up the cost of energy to reduce consumption because of obama's theology/values in this area.
25 posted on 02/18/2012 8:40:04 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Theodore R.

Why do have to mock Rick S religious beliefs ??
Are you threatened ?
That is a classic leftist attack ?
It’s odd how the Rick haters use the left attack angle !


26 posted on 02/18/2012 8:47:50 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Christie at the beach

Yep, Newt’s the only one with the cojones to take it directly to the Wan. Rick and Mitt both talk big in friendly camps, but when they’re on the same stage with b. hussein and he gives them The Look, they’ll both stutter and fold like a cheap suit.


27 posted on 02/18/2012 9:04:38 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Tzfat

I recall Zero saying that sin is not living up to his own moral values. That’s not anywhere in the Bible.


28 posted on 02/18/2012 9:15:38 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: FreedomPoster

It is Marxist-—the Pope wrote about it condemning it. Marxist Christian is an oxymoron.


29 posted on 02/18/2012 9:24:08 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: tobyhill

Rick handled that quite well.


30 posted on 02/18/2012 9:29:24 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: ModelBreaker

His moral “values” are Marxism and sodomy-—disgusting, vile ideology which kill and destroy millions of people. He is godless and worships on the altar of Baal. He does live up to HIS moral values but they are anathema to the US Constitution and Natural Rights from God.


31 posted on 02/18/2012 9:29:40 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: sthguard
I don't think making this election into a theological battle is a good idea.

Better to get this out of the way in the primaries. Mitt didn't and he is sinking fast.

32 posted on 02/18/2012 9:33:31 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Rome2000

Are you for real? That has to be a gag post. No one claims Santorum is a closet Commie Pinko. Isn’t the proper slam to call him a “Stalking Horse” to Milt? And to say “Red State” is subversive lingo. Really?


33 posted on 02/18/2012 9:36:06 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: sthguard

Agreed....if this election is about the economy we win. Santorum should stick to that...the social conservative focus of his campaign, whether we like it or not, will not play well in the general election.


34 posted on 02/18/2012 11:08:53 PM PST by teg_76
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To: tobyhill

Santorum runs the risk that the “Saint Rick” meme takes over. The majority of people who are sinners aren’t going to take kindly to being endlessly derided for their imperfections. Being perfect wears mighty thin might fast.


35 posted on 02/19/2012 1:30:50 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Mike Darancette

“Mitt didn’t and he is sinking fast.”

Do you mean that Mitt didn’t talk about his own religion, or about Obama’s?

Anyway, my point is not that religious differences aren’t important in this election— especially in the primaries— but that making this seem like a holy war is very likely to backfire. The media loves to portray the GOP as being comprised exclusively of theocrats who want to disenfranchise all non-Christians. Why play into their hands, when we’ve got arguments that are as good if not better about Obama’s failure to lead economically?


36 posted on 02/19/2012 3:07:01 AM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: tobyhill
Wow! You mean Obama is NOT a Christian? What is he than Jewish? Gee WHO could THINK he isn't a Christian? Ya just never know in this life, ya just never know!
37 posted on 02/19/2012 4:19:28 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: tobyhill

It is the truth, Obama plays the false christian like a maestro and America fell for it for the most part.


38 posted on 02/19/2012 4:35:47 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Apparently other people in states with upcoming elections do not agree with you. Look at the polling. GO RICK!!!

If Rick keeps pushing religion to the forefront of his strategy, it will pale and pass as a fad. He needs to spend more time thinking of cogent arguments of why he should be President and not make inane "revelations" like our public schools are stuck in the Industrial revolution. He started out slow and mumbly, then seemed to get on track with Newt-like statements, and is now having trouble being seen as a real thinker. I could vote for him, but I prefer someone with more constant and focused brain power.

39 posted on 02/19/2012 4:37:08 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: tobyhill

Santorum is either being deviously clever in drawing Obozo and his minions in the press out or he’s being stupid. At this point who the hell knows. Such remarks if soft and elliptical enough might not raise the warning flags on the Left that they ought to do, with the result that aspects of Obozo’s life and record not otherwise discussed are out and getting bandied about.


40 posted on 02/19/2012 5:02:24 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack
Most of today's "newsies" fail to be well grounded enough in religious manners to be able to discuss them coherently.

Listen to them some time ~ to them it's all about their sexual behavior or using narcotics on a regular basis

41 posted on 02/19/2012 5:57:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: llandres

but when they’re on the same stage with b. hussein and he gives them The Look, they’ll both stutter and fold like a cheap suit.

I can’t believe you said that. Sanotrum mentioned Romnycare and Romney folded like a cheap suit. Romney mentioned that Newt had Fanny/Freddie stock in his investment portfolio and Newt folded like a cheap suit. It seems to me the only one who has NOT folded like a cheap suit is Sanotrum.


42 posted on 02/19/2012 6:50:18 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: napscoordinator

Santorum’s not been targeted onstage in a big way yet, but now that he’s leading, it’ll heat up.

BTW, Newt clarified freddie mac but whenever he’s explained anything, he gets talked over, interrupted or cut off by moderators.

I’ll support our nominee, though, because BHO is so dangerous, diabolical and evil.


43 posted on 02/19/2012 8:32:07 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: TalBlack
"Santorum is either being deviously clever in drawing Obozo and his minions in the press out or he’s being stupid."

I think things are occurring on three levels here:

First and foremost, Santorum is calling it like he sees it.

On another level, this is a calculated risk by the Santorum team. They have to know Rick's bold past statements on social issues will come into play sooner or later. By getting it all out there in the primary there's a degree of innoculation. Should Rick win the nomination, by the time the campaign for the general picks up, and Obama tries to make an issue of Rick's religion, the Santorum campaign will be able to state that this is already old news that has been discussed at length, and people want to focus on the real issues facing this country.

Finally, by inviting deep inspection of his own personal beliefs and associations, Rick opens up Obama for the same. We saw some of this in his interview with Charlie Rose, where Rick scolded the press and challenged them to discuss Jeremiah Wright.

44 posted on 02/19/2012 8:42:44 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: sthguard
...making this seem like a holy war is very likely to backfire

Obama is going to try to make religion an issue in the general election campaign (anything to change the issue). He will try to paint a Santorum as intolerant and questioning Obama's faith. With Santorum that question is asked and answered, If Obama professes he is Christian then Santorum as a Christian is bound to believe him.

Mitt has yet to inoculate himself on the issue of his faith.

45 posted on 02/19/2012 9:54:44 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: ncalburt

Thank you! I’m tried of the Rick haters attacking Rick for being strong in his Christian faith. I expect that from the left, but seeing it here is is despicable.


46 posted on 02/19/2012 12:59:30 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Mike Darancette

Alright, fair enough.


47 posted on 02/19/2012 5:04:59 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: sthguard

Actually the liberal Obama-ass kissing US media can make it into a theological battle right now, but things have “media cycles” and there is a certain “viewer fatigue” which sets in—and the marketing people in these outlets who poll viewers know it, they will back off when it gets old had and people start to change the channel, which they will. Since mostly the extremely committed Republicans turn out to vote for the primary and moderates or others tend to sit home’ it may be to Santorum7s advantage at this stage to have social issues also having a good go around, with the support of social conservatives who can organize through churches, organizations and what not. We are not in Mormon territory anymore, either, for that matter, but shifting to big states with Catholic and Evangelical Christian Republican voters. But the Obamaites and media will NOT be able to stretch this “social issue argument” out until November IMHO, a full nine months away, and we also know in large part the economy will not improve by that time and the grassroots will FEEL it despite what the goverment wonks say with the cooked up figures, so Senator Santorum, based on hard work from all of us if he is the nominee which every day it increasingly seems to be the case, should be a shoe in to get over the 270 Electoral Votes needed and make Obongo a one hit wonder. I do believe in the final analysis the general election will be all about The Economy. We will make it that way.


48 posted on 02/19/2012 6:26:45 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Patience, my compatriots, PATIENCE! FR will be "Santorum Country" in a very short time, IMHO.)
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To: Cicero
“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”

How hard is it here to see that Santorum is saying that Obama is a "true believer" in the "religion" of "green"? It shouldn't be hard at all for the fair observer.

It is a metaphor. It doesn't take a genius to see what he was saying.

49 posted on 02/19/2012 6:31:51 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Lazlo in PA; All

I was glad to see Rick on Face the Nation remind voters of Obama’s votes, as state senator, to allow babies born alive, because of an unsuccessful abortion, to be allowed to die.

“..between 2001 and 2003 then-Illinois state Sen. Obama effectively voted
against the state legislature’s (BORN-ALIVE
INFANTS PROTECTION ACT) BAIPA on at least three occasions—once voting “present”
and twice voting “no.”’

http://richardlandlive.com/documents/20080823-obama-on-baipa.pdf

Glad to see someone fighting HARD for the babies.

Let’s help Rick out!

http://www.ricksantorum.com/


50 posted on 02/19/2012 8:13:22 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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