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Self-defense shootings to get closer scrutiny
stltoday.com ^ | 23 January, 2012 | AP

Posted on 01/24/2012 1:21:56 PM PST by marktwain

An increasing number of intruders in St. Louis are being gunned down by homeowners, due in part to a 2007 self-defense law known as the castle doctrine. But now, authorities are changing how they review apparent justifiable homicide cases.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; castle; home; mo
AP must have much stricter than normal exerpting.
1 posted on 01/24/2012 1:22:06 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

One would think that the number of intruders would be decreasing...


2 posted on 01/24/2012 1:26:42 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

“The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that there were seven fatal shootings involving the castle doctrine in the city in 2011, up from two the previous year.”

Sounds more like statistical noise here.

“Intruders” are in the home. Are they there for a surprise party?


3 posted on 01/24/2012 1:35:26 PM PST by rusty millet
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To: marktwain

“An increasing number of intruders in St. Louis are being gunned down by homeowners, due in part to a 2007 self-defense law known as the castle doctrine. But now, authorities are changing how they review apparent justifiable homicide cases.”

Or rather, “An increasing number of Negro intruders in St. Louis are (sic.) being gunned down by white homeowners, due in part to a 2007 self-defense law known as the castle doctrine. But now, Negro authorities are changing how they review apparent justifiable homicide cases to protect Negro criminals and allow harassment of white victims.”

Nothing racist here, by gum.


4 posted on 01/24/2012 1:36:46 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: marktwain
What is there to scrutinize?

In somebodies home.....Uninvited.....Homeowner fearful for their life.....

BANG!

Case closed.

5 posted on 01/24/2012 1:45:25 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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What’s to review?

7 isn’t a huge crisis.

Unless the dead person was known to the homeowners in some fashion, there is nothing to review.


6 posted on 01/24/2012 1:47:13 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: dsc

Nailed it.


7 posted on 01/24/2012 1:52:39 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: marktwain
This law adversely impacts Eric Holder's people, so it is obviously a racist law.

Criminals shouldn't have to fear for their lives while pursuing their chosen trade.

8 posted on 01/24/2012 1:53:10 PM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: marktwain

“apparent justifiable homicide”???

You break in, you get blasted. You shouldn’t need a special law to give you permission.

Our county DA in Topeka, KS has been very good about not even giving it a second thought. Too many home invasions to second guess people.


9 posted on 01/24/2012 1:53:36 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: marktwain

this must be affecting to voter rolls of the Democrat party in some way. Perhaps St. Louis Democrats need to work on developing a better Chicago-style graveyard constituency and then this won’t be a problem.


10 posted on 01/24/2012 1:54:48 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: marktwain

Well now, that last example in the article, where “somebody” recounted clear murder of an intruder who had submitted and was standing against the wall, unarmed, is a bit of a stretch.
Ya, I know he broke in, but he was no longer a threat and could have been held for police.
This is different than shooting while he’s in the act of breaking in.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 1:57:29 PM PST by G Larry (We need Bare Knuckles Newt to fight this battle.)
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To: marktwain

the law was instituted to prevent exactly this


12 posted on 01/24/2012 1:58:26 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

the law was put in place to prevent EXACTLY this type of game.

Home invasion is a felony and that does not stop criminals.


13 posted on 01/24/2012 1:59:46 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

They have to get tough with people who actually defend their rights.

Can’t allow too much of THAT in America.


14 posted on 01/24/2012 2:03:23 PM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Meddling politicians.
15 posted on 01/24/2012 2:03:41 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: EGPWS
Two phrases every home/gun owner needs to repeat over and over:
I feared for my life. I want a lawyer. I feared for my life, I want a lawyer. etc..etc..

Lord knows the liberals at any level are going to side with the intruder and make them the "victim".

16 posted on 01/24/2012 2:07:18 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: marktwain

In the past,
police detectives and homicide unit supervisors who thought a killing was justified would contact the circuit attorney’s office to make sure prosecutors agreed.

Now,
every case will be scrutinized in a more formal review by the St. Louis circuit attorney’s office.

Doesn’t sound like much of a change.


17 posted on 01/24/2012 2:10:58 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: marktwain

“One would think that the number of intruders would be decreasing...”

It IS decreasing, one by one.

You break into my home, I shoot (castle doctrine state). I feared for my life! End of story.


18 posted on 01/24/2012 2:14:28 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: Michael Barnes

You forgot “I’m having chest pains”....


19 posted on 01/24/2012 2:16:28 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: marktwain

St. Louis city has a long and poor record on the 2nd Amendment. The rats in charge will do what they can to discourage self defense - including making an example out of a crime victim who shot a perp if they can get away with it.


20 posted on 01/24/2012 2:17:55 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: marktwain
Under the old law, homeowners confronted by intruders had a duty to escape their homes if they could do so safely.

Silly, really.

It's not as though one has time to conduct a thorough study of the situation.

How many home owners were lost under that doctrine?

21 posted on 01/24/2012 2:22:51 PM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: G Larry

I have a CCW and carry every day all day.

I believe in the castle doctrine.

However, you are correct about the woman in the last example. The BG had given up.

It is obvious that she knows nothing about guns and had no instruction at all or she would not have needed the guy with her to hold the gun for her and help her aim it.

He is the one who should be prosecuted. She should pay a lesser penalty.


22 posted on 01/24/2012 3:00:23 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: marktwain
An increasing number of intruders in St. Louis are being gunned down by homeowners...

No presstitute bias there, nope, none ...

23 posted on 01/24/2012 4:46:00 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: Col Freeper
No presstitute bias there, nope, none ...

Just another example of why the newspaper is called The St Louis Post-Disgrace.

24 posted on 01/24/2012 5:21:45 PM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Michael Barnes

I feared for my life.

Here’s the evidence (especially if something important rolled behind or out of view).

I need my attorney.

I will file a statement with my attorney. And press charges if the scum is still somehow alive.


25 posted on 01/24/2012 5:56:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: marktwain

St. Louis homeowners gunning down Holder’s “peeples” breaking into homes is the right thing to do to make a polite society. Seven is not enough.


26 posted on 01/24/2012 6:27:40 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: marktwain
"An increasing number of intruders in St. Louis are being gunned down by homeowners, due in part to a 2007 self-defense law known as the castle doctrine. But now, authorities are changing how they review apparent justifiable homicide cases."

Well...it is St. Louis...
27 posted on 01/25/2012 2:45:45 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: G Larry

consider the source.


28 posted on 01/25/2012 2:56:57 AM PST by BOBWADE
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To: marktwain

As long as they take the exact same approach for POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. Arrest Every Cop that ever fires his Gun and force them to defend themselves, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, Then I would agree with this idea.


29 posted on 01/25/2012 5:22:58 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: TYVets

“Just another example of why the newspaper is called The St Louis Post-Disgrace.”

When I lived in St. Louis we called in Pravda West.

Their motto: “We have more socialists per square foot than the Politburo.”


30 posted on 01/25/2012 7:06:27 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy
20 to 25 years ago one local grocery store carried both the Kansas City Star and the St Louis P-D.

On Sunday morning you had to get there before the sun came up to get a copy. As the years when along they sold fewer and fewer copies of both.

About 15 years ago they stopped selling them. I say about 15 years ago because I got tired of the party line and decided they were both a waste of money when it came to unbiased reporting.

During the same time period the local Gannet owned daily newspaper, The Springfield News-Loser has shrunk to not much larger than a postage stamp.

Thank heavens for the Internet !

31 posted on 01/25/2012 9:27:10 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Michael Barnes

“I feared for my life. I want a lawyer. I feared for my life, I want a lawyer.”

I better write that down, just in case.

Although I evaluate the odds of my hovel being invaded as minimal.


32 posted on 01/25/2012 11:49:47 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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