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To: ngat

Pragmatism happens.

MAD works quite well with rational actors. Israel is a rational actor by any definition. Iran? That remains to be seen. While I wouldn’t classify Ahmedenijad as the most “rational” human being on earth, he doesn’t have command of Iran’s (potential) nuclear forces. Ayatollah Ali Khameni has that dubious honor. So then the question becomes, how rational of an actor is Khameni?

If the Russians are serious, and let’s say they sign an agreement with Iran to the effect of a defense treaty, that would very likely preclude Israel from any pre-emptive attack, in which case they’ll continue with what they’re doing now, strategic assassinations of key nuclear program personnel.

Then what would the Iranians do? Or more to the point, what would Ayatollah Khameni do? Would he go full out with an attempted nuclear attack, or would he realize he’s now sitting pretty, and largely immune to any negative consequences of his nations nuclear program, which at that point could ostensibly continue (well, provided they don’t continue losing their nuclear scientists). It’s no secret Khameni has in the past put the smackdown on Ahmedenijad, and there are reports of a good deal of dissatisfaction with Ahmedenijad on Khameni’s part.

So, this is the key question: Is Khameni a rational enough actor to accept the basic operating principle of MAD? The answer to that question is the whole enchilada. Would he authorize a nuclear attack on Israel, knowing full-well that Israel easily has a considerable retaliatory capability?

Of course, the only downside I’ve always seen with MAD is the potential for a nuke as a terrorist weapon. If the terrorist are smart, they won’t claim responsibility, which leaves the aggrieved party’s options limited.

The Israelis would do well to say that if any nuclear attack is visited upon them, they would automatically hold Iran fully responsible, regardless of who does (or doesn’t) take responsibility for such an attack, and will respond accordingly (i.e., nuclear retaliation).

A pre-emptive attack against Iran should’ve been done several years ago....around 2007, I’d say. For reasons best known to themselves, the Israelis didn’t do so. To be honest, I don’t think they will. I think they’ll continue on their current covert operations, which they likely perceive as being preferable to an all-out shooting war.


25 posted on 01/15/2012 6:26:17 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
A pre-emptive attack against Iran should’ve been done several years ago....around 2007

Let's see now, trying to remember, who was that 'compassionate conservative' we had in the White House, the guy talking the talk about "not allowing Iran to obtain a nuclear capability" but failing to walk the walk as recommended by both Dick Cheney and John Bolton?

Hold on, don't tell me, lemme think here, called Iraq, Iran and North Korea something like an "Axis of Evil"? That sounds familiar, but wait: after overthrowing Saddam, that guy screwed the pooch by NOT going after Iran, and in fact took North Korea OFF the list of terrorist supporting nations in 2008, right?

Oh almost got it, rode his Daddy's name to the White House, spent more money than Lyndon Johnson, expanded the federal government into the police state we have now, YEAH! GOT it!

George W. 0bama!!!
33 posted on 01/15/2012 6:34:27 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

OK.

Here’s answer to question, though. US blows up Russia and Russia blows up US.


34 posted on 01/15/2012 6:35:17 AM PST by ngat
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Is Khameni a rational enough actor to accept the basic operating principle of MAD?

No, he is not.

He is an irrational religious nut ball that thinks that his god (allah) has given him direct dispensation to destroy any and all opposition to his nut ball, moon-god worshiping, pedophilia-practicing idiotic religion.

He is of the firm belief that MAD does not include him and his goat screwing followers.

The best thing we can do for that bunch of nut jobs is to turn the whole damned place into a parking lot for the King of Saud's Mercedes collection.

Which is, of course, intended as a diversion whilst we work at getting rid of his "royal" ass.

42 posted on 01/15/2012 7:09:17 AM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

>>>>The Israelis would do well to say that if any nuclear attack is visited upon them, they would automatically hold Iran fully responsible, regardless of who does (or doesn’t) take responsibility for such an attack, and will respond accordingly (i.e., nuclear retaliation).

What if the hypothetical terrorists who attack Israel with Nukes, were to get their weapons from Pakistan? Would Israel be justified in its attack on Pakistan?

America and Israel are worried about Islamic extremists in Iran acquiring Nukes, yet, they show no concern over the fact that Islamic extremists in Pakistan have easy access to Nukes.

We know that there are large numbers of people in the Pakistani military and intelligence services, who were supporters of Osama Bin Laden, and are supporters of the Taliban. Why are we not worrying about THEM?


50 posted on 01/15/2012 7:58:29 AM PST by pinochet
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