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Santorum: A Massively Expanded Welfare State is ‘The Genuine Conservatism our Founders Envisioned’
Red State ^ | 11 January 2012 | Jeff Emmanuel

Posted on 01/12/2012 4:58:10 AM PST by IbJensen

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To: driftdiver

Is he better than Rick Perry?

Not by a long shot.


21 posted on 01/12/2012 5:35:41 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: johngalt42

Just the wording of the general welfare clause in context demonstrates that the means by which the general welfare was to be promoted were the limited and enumerated powers of the Constitution.


22 posted on 01/12/2012 5:36:08 AM PST by aruanan
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Agreed. Some here might mistake that talk, however, for comm-u-nism!

When the government forces "altruism", it is communism. When altruism is performed by an unfettered and willing people, it is "community", such as the Amish or the early church.

23 posted on 01/12/2012 5:39:30 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Thanks for your excellent post on this hit piece. It saved me the trouble of doing it myself. Rick doesn’t have a chance for the top spot but would make a fine VP pick (IMHO).


24 posted on 01/12/2012 5:41:31 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: altura

Rick “you’re heartless if you want to enforce immigration law” Perry?

Thats a tough one but we can talk about it when Rick wakes up from his nap.


25 posted on 01/12/2012 5:46:28 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IbJensen
If you understand that Santorum is a Catholic conservative, his stances make sense. I'm not saying this as a knock on Catholics. But there is a brand of Catholic conservatism which is very conservative on social issue but which believes the state has an obligation to help the poor and working class. That is Santorum to a tee. I admire him and voted for him in Pennsylvania when he was a senator but he really is a Bush / Huckabee “Compassionate Conservative.”

He also is well connected to the lobbyist community — Rick is no “outsider.” People who put there hopes into him as some true conservative outsider are going to be very disappointed.

26 posted on 01/12/2012 5:46:35 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: kosciusko51
It is still practiced today by true believers and those of good will.

You're right, though, about the necessary function of altruism. Unfortunately, it is also the lynch pin on which deceivers build their argument.

27 posted on 01/12/2012 5:47:33 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Soon to be a man without a country.)
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To: jdsteel; WorkingClassFilth

I agree


28 posted on 01/12/2012 5:48:44 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: WorkingClassFilth
What Santorum is arguing, IMO, is that it is in the gub’mints interest to foster (real two parent) families (Duh, that's a Western concept, no?) so that in the fullness of time they, in fact, will better everyone in the physical, moral and social sense.

I have a problem with these kinds of arguments in the context of candidates for national offices because they just make sweeping generailzations about "what the government should do" without specifiying or taking into account which government we're talking about.

We are a republic. That means there is a system of defined spheres of authority divided between the State and national governments.

It's fine to think that government in general should be taking care of the poor, but if it is to be done it needs to be done by the state governments. There is no enumrated power of the national government that empowers them to do that.

29 posted on 01/12/2012 5:49:17 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Glad I’m not the only one who says this a a hatchet job on Santorum. The title itself is pure BS as if he ever made such a statement. Lots of out of context mish mash here folks.

Santorum or Newt 2012


30 posted on 01/12/2012 5:49:32 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: driftdiver

Wrong, there was a perfect candidate out there. Name was Herman Cain. The left was mortified of his popularity and honest. So they found a few bimbos willing to lie and exaggerate any fact on his behavior.

Newt has to be the nominee if Cain doesn’t return, period. This Santorum is no better than Obama if he leans socialist. As for Romney, he makes me puke. I’ll have to carry a pail to the polls to vote for him so I can puke on the way out.


31 posted on 01/12/2012 5:50:00 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: IbJensen; verga; thesaleboat; Sick of Lefties; Chainmail; StrongandPround; lilyramone; ...
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32 posted on 01/12/2012 5:50:48 AM PST by narses
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To: driftdiver
There isn’t a perfect candidate but there are several which are far worse.

And just to think...if someone decent had actually run...they would have walked away with it.

33 posted on 01/12/2012 5:51:31 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: driftdiver
There isn’t a perfect candidate but there are several which are far worse.

And just to think...if someone decent had actually run...they would have walked away with it.

34 posted on 01/12/2012 5:51:42 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: sevinufnine

yes Cain was a good candidate. Is he still a candidate? No, but perhaps you haven’t read the news lately.

To compare Santorum to Obama is ignorant.


35 posted on 01/12/2012 5:52:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: parksstp

Exactly the AstroTurf these Romney bits are peddling is not
Even logically anymore
First the concerned freak that Rick is stripping away
Medicare or SS now he is evil for not doing it.
They have run out of smears do they make
It up.


36 posted on 01/12/2012 5:52:14 AM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: IbJensen

That idiot Rick Perry is looking better and better every day.


37 posted on 01/12/2012 5:55:09 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: IbJensen

“selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good.”

There is a difference between “contribute” and “compelled”.
The kind of difference that sparked creation of this country in the first place.


38 posted on 01/12/2012 5:56:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: IbJensen

SMEAR.

How about you tell us who you support, and post something about them to help readers understand why you support them.

Rather than posting stuff which seems right out of the "Saul Alinsky" liberal attack machine.

So who do you support?

39 posted on 01/12/2012 5:58:58 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (ROMNEY / ALINSKY 2012 (sarcasm))
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To: jdsteel

Thanks. Unfortunatley, I believe that even if Mr. Santorum is somebody’s VP pick, we’re still going to lose (see my tagline). Using a conservative to bolster a weakling ticket is a tired and unprofitable tactic. No, scratch that. Using a conservative in this way is nothing more than baiting the trap with an attractive scent so that we’ll all be trapped and killed.

In this election, far too many conservatives will be willing to go down that road and, as a result, we’ll likely see another BO term. If, and I do mean if, the country can be saved after that, it will be far more open to men and women of principle and direct action than the weak and vaccilating are now - “conservatives” included. Any candidate who is chiefly electable is nothing more than an empty husk that mirrors the fears and greed of an unprinciple electorate.

We are in deep, deep waters and principles - even unpopular and unelectable ones - are exactly the prescription needed to save the Republic.

My $0.02


40 posted on 01/12/2012 5:59:07 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Soon to be a man without a country.)
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