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Israel ought to make some sort of encouraging symbolic gesture towards Armenia, too. They're a natural ally in the region, and Turkeys are really funny when they're mad.
1 posted on 12/22/2011 11:15:03 AM PST by Eleutheria5
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WOW, Turkey is really series about this.

They cut ties with France not just once, but 3 times. This is hugh.

2 posted on 12/22/2011 11:16:48 AM PST by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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“Who after all speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” - Hitler, August 22, 1939

Before genocide - 2 million Armenians and 2,000 churches in Ottoman Turkey (formerly Armenia), after genocide 70,000 Armenians and 50 churches.


5 posted on 12/22/2011 11:22:26 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Turkey is so touchy over this Armenian genocide issue.

I’m taking a college class on the “Holocaust” that focused on this issue. It’s pretty cut and dry. Turkey in the end decided not to try the murderers so a few of the victims family members hunted them down and took vengeance. (just like the Israelis).


6 posted on 12/22/2011 11:27:21 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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Doesn’t this have Turkey violate the NATO Treaty?


7 posted on 12/22/2011 11:28:55 AM PST by AU72
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Good for France.


8 posted on 12/22/2011 11:30:23 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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Wow! I agree with France on this one, for a change.


10 posted on 12/22/2011 11:34:31 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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11 posted on 12/22/2011 11:44:20 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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What French expect Turkey to surrender


12 posted on 12/22/2011 11:56:26 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Eleutheria5
It would be far better IMO if they would just come out and admit this rather than year-after-year, country-after-country demand resolutions condemning modern Turkey for something that happened 100 years ago before modern Turkey was founded. To wit,

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is a secondary issue – interview with Harut Sassounian

"the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. The following issue must be raised: a cruel crime was committed against the Armenian people. The whole nation was actually annihilated, our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. This is not only a cruel crime, but also a great injustice. Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. The world must know about what happened, and we have to a great extent succeeded. The Turkish side is well aware that the step to follow the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey will be a demand for compensation and return of the lands. This is the reason why Turkey will not admit the Armenian Genocide . . . ."

So what happens now? the Kurds also demand the same territory -- who by the way were also guilty of murdering hundreds of thousands of Armenians -- as well was Kaiser Wilhelm II German Emperor aware and, some say, abetted the attempted extermination of Russia's ally the Armenians with whom Germany was battling in W.W.I.

I recall that the article admits that Turkey acknowledges the deaths. The horrors did in fact happen. There are elsewhere claims of hundreds of thousands of Turk civilians killed also.. the real issue seems to be territory and retribution demanded of modern Turkey.

(Lawsuits have forced insurance companies to pay Armenians in recent years.)

BTW, speaking of destroying Armenian culture -- how much was destroyed when Armenians were forced under the control of the Bolsheviks? I think Armenia was the first Soviet "republic" established outside of Russia.

14 posted on 12/22/2011 12:03:08 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Oh no!! Does this mean no more taffy on the Champs Élysées?


16 posted on 12/22/2011 12:20:29 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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Two Turks arrested in Switzerland for denying the Armenian Genocide. The article describes the following (from another Internet source) "The Swiss police reported that the Turks were arrested at a conference in the Zurich suburb of Winterthur, where posters were hung up and leaflets distributed rejecting that the killing was genocide. One of them is reported as initiator of the event and the other was shouting slogans before a crowd. The law providing for punishment for the denial of the Armenian Genocide was adopted in Switzerland in 2005. Last week, a Swiss cantonal court upheld the conviction against Dogu Perincek, the leader of the Workers' Party (IP), as well as an order for him to pay a fine of 3,000 Swiss francs ($2,450). Police in the canton of Zurich identified the two arrested individuals as a 57-year-old resident of Germany and a 51-year-old Swiss resident."

(It is kind of neat seeing that Muslims in Europe can be charged -- I guess the guys weren't Islamists or Jihadists.)

So Armenians want this for France, America, et al. also? They have serious issues with the modern Republic of Turkey. We have enough problems. Turkey and Armenia are next door to each other. Start talking! Fat chance! We'll give up California to Mexicorruption before Turkey will give up eastern Turkey to Armenia --- wot? OK. Nevada.

As noted above the issues are territory and retribution -- labeling the horrors of the deaths genocide is not the issue. Modern Turkey admits the horrors (and asks what about the hundreds of thousands of Turk civilians killed.)

17 posted on 12/22/2011 12:38:41 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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I have been relatively in support of the Armenian claims for years, more out of general sympathy for the scale if their losses than intimate knowledge of the details of the issue.

Lately, while at my local Barnes & Noble library, a glanced through a new book on Russian history, leading up to and during WWI.

In that book, they pointed to a lot of evidence, spelling out Russian funding and intrigue in support of Armenian freedom fighters against the Ottomans and then the Turks.

The views of the author were: the Russians were involved in an attempt to undermine the Ottomans and the Turks for their own - Russia’s, possible benefit, and the Ottomans and later the Turks were not deaf, dumb and blind to this intrigue (stirring up and using the Armenians) by Russia.

I am simply noting that this part of the issue was not something I had known about previously - regardless of the pros and cons regarding the author’s views of the issue.


18 posted on 12/22/2011 1:56:19 PM PST by Wuli
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