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Company's departure a sign state's business climate is in the trash
Sacramento Bee ^ | 12/19/11 | Ted Gaines

Posted on 12/19/2011 5:55:40 PM PST by SmithL

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To: SmithL

Fluor Corporation (to Irving TX), Fidelity National Title (to Jacksonville FL), and Northrup Grumann (to DC suburbs) were some of the big companies which moved corporate Hq. out of California.

Others will surely continue leaving, for the same reasons.

They go to a lot of places, not just Texas. A 2010 article shows some detinations for Orange County firms that left.

http://jan.ocregister.com/2010/07/16/84-companies-added-to-leaving-california-list/41399/


41 posted on 12/19/2011 9:54:12 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: SmithL

Fluor Corporation (to Irving TX), Fidelity National Title (to Jacksonville FL), and Northrup Grumann (to DC suburbs) were some of the big companies which moved corporate Hq. out of California.

Others will surely continue leaving, for the same reasons.

They go to a lot of places, not just Texas. A 2010 article shows some detinations for Orange County firms that left.

http://jan.ocregister.com/2010/07/16/84-companies-added-to-leaving-california-list/41399/


42 posted on 12/19/2011 10:09:43 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: mylife

I left Sacramento 20 years ago, myself. And while we thought it would get bad, thank God we were far away before we realized just how bad.


43 posted on 12/19/2011 10:45:42 PM PST by CT
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To: CT

When I got to Ca in 82, it was a great place.
When I left in 92 it was not...

I think I would have loved the place in the 60’s and 70’s


44 posted on 12/19/2011 10:50:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: okie01
Over/under on when California becomes the next OhioCalifornia? And Sacramento the next ClevelandEast St. Louis?

I love editing.

45 posted on 12/19/2011 11:20:22 PM PST by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2011-2012.)
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To: okie01
Over/under on when California becomes the next Ohio? And Sacramento the next Cleveland?

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.



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46 posted on 12/19/2011 11:22:49 PM PST by rdb3 (><>The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart. <><)
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To: truth_seeker
They go to a lot of places, not just Texas.

I noticed some pretty sharp financial- and investment-advice newsletters in the 1980's that moved themselves to places like Incline Village, Nevada (on Lake Tahoe, just across the state line from California), and Rapid City, SD (in the Black Hills country -- where people have no state income tax).

They were just front-running the trend.

Washington state has no state income tax, either -- which I suppose is why so many Californians have moved there.

Texas considered a state income tax in 1991 (well, the newspapers did, sort of -- they beat the drums incessantly for an income tax); and at that time I found some tax stats that I could compare between Texas and California. Both had high property and sales taxes (the reason the Texas journoswine said we needed an income tax), the gas taxes were about the same -- and California had a 9.3% personal income tax on top of that.

California, thanks to their income taxes, raked in 50% more tax per capita than Texas -- but was just as broke, perpetually bumming around looking for more taxes and whining about public safety and education being in peril. I drew the obvious inferences.

47 posted on 12/20/2011 12:31:15 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

California has had an “exit tax” attempt for well over a decade. They are so desperate that if you EVER lived in that state and made any money as a self employed person they want your bucks if they can get them. They will go after you to file a CA income tax form for many years and declare you in default no matter what you do.
I haven’t lived there in 10 years and they still think I need to pay them money every year.


48 posted on 12/20/2011 1:11:00 AM PST by tinamina
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To: mylife

You beat me to it. Many of them are not smart enough to realize all their feel good liberal crap is what caused the problems in the first place.


49 posted on 12/20/2011 5:11:47 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: SmithL
The comments are fascinating, with basically just one person defending California's taxes and regulations. She insists that she is a "businesswoman" but refuses to say what she does even as others bait her by insisting she must be a state employee. And she can't understand why anyone would want to flee paradise, it must be a mental disorder:

Because the purpose of life is to feel "GOOD" about yourself, a.k.a. feel morally superior to your neighbors.

50 posted on 12/20/2011 7:14:47 AM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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I don’t think this ‘businesswoman’ could pass a 51-50 mental test.


51 posted on 12/20/2011 1:48:12 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SmithL

you know things are tough when your most valuable company is called “waste connections” and employs 100 people.


52 posted on 12/20/2011 1:55:55 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (omg - obama must go!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Reading your profile page informed me that your dot was close or exactly where mine is.

We need a national security libertarian option, imo.


53 posted on 12/20/2011 2:09:53 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Reading your profile page informed me that your dot was close or exactly where mine is.

We need a national security libertarian option, imo.

In the late 70s/early 80s I worked for a big company which later migrated/moved to Texas.

We were a cost-plus contractor, costs were lower in Texas, and gradually our clients sought lower cost options. IOW they wanted us to do the work, but in Texas.

Add to that California’s increasing business hostility and high tax rates, and the decision followed easily.

I authored a study comparing the costs between Orange County CA and Houston. The writing was on the wall, the mass of the work was shifted over 20 years, and finally the corporation’s Hq moved to a Dallas suburb.

This marked the departure of a 100 year old California comopany, a leader in the industry, leaving California for reasons the democrats in Sacremento refuse to reverse.

Too bad “climate change” doesn’t transform Texas’ climate into coastal California’s climate.

But I have retired cousins that have lived all over the world including California, and they settled on an Austin suburb.


54 posted on 12/20/2011 2:30:58 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: truth_seeker
We need a national security libertarian option, imo.

"Neo-conservatives" are (often Jewish) ex-liberals who discovered that they liked the idea of a DoD that can keep them from having to learn Russian at the point of a gun (as Wm. F. Buckley once riposted to paleocon hero Murray Rothbard, who'd called Buckley "totalitarian" for wanting a big defense budget), or the Israelis from having to learn Koran verses in Arabic, likewise at the point of a gun.

Perhaps there should be such a thing as a "Neo-libertarian". Meaning a libertarian who understands that you can't enjoy your liberties a) if society falls apart into antinomian ruins and civil violence and b) your liberties are truncated by martial law imposed by an invading army.

In the same way that an "ordoliberal" (named for the old German theoretical political-science journal from 120 years ago, Ordo [Lat., "order"]) is a person who believes in free markets with effective police mechanisms and incorruptible policemen, there ought to be a definition for libertarians who understand you need police and armies.

Which Ron Paul is not, being very comparable to what someone (Mencken, I think) once called Woodrow Wilson at the Versailles conference, viz., "a virgin in a whorehouse, calling stridently for lemonade".

55 posted on 12/20/2011 3:44:09 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: mylife
I think I would have loved the place in the 60’s and 70’s

I arrived in the SF Bay Area in 1962. Going to "The City" was something to behold, women dressed to the nines, the men dressed in suits, just to go shopping. I was young and in the service and got by well with a nice sweater and slacks. The area just hummed with industry and fun, safe places to go. The Hippy era sure changed all of that. When we left for Texas in 2001 I was more than pleased to be leaving.

56 posted on 12/20/2011 3:50:55 PM PST by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: engrpat

It’s a shame.
It used to be “The Golden State”


57 posted on 12/20/2011 3:56:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Lived on the beach, north of San Diego in late 70’s. It was the beginning of the end. The sprawl from LA was coming south. And the Mexicans were moving El Norte, en masse. But it was a decade later when the crush of government starting catching up. And by then Sacramento was in control. Now, if you are still there, and have assets distributed more to ‘carry’ then you can escape. Otherwise, well, I escaped. But see it during the few brief visits. Always glad to leave.


58 posted on 12/20/2011 9:34:09 PM PST by CT
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To: SmithL

And yet another Atlas shrugs.

Who is John Galt?


59 posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:17 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'll vote for Mitt Romney when Hell freezes over. He'd be as bad as Obama.)
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