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Finally: Fast and Furious Comes up as GOP Debate Topic
Townhall ^ | 12/15/2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 12/16/2011 1:32:25 PM PST by neverdem

After months of debate from GOP presidential candidates on topics ranging from Gardasil vaccinations to nuclear Iran, the topic of Operation Fast and Furious was finally mentioned during the Fox News Sioux City, Iowa debate Thursday night and met with roaring applause from the audience. Considering December 15, 2011 is the one-year-anniversary of the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who was killed by an illegal Mexican drug cartel member in the Arizona desert using a gun provided through the Obama Justice Department, the timing was fitting. Fox News host Megyn Kelly asked the question about Fast and Furious without mentioning Brian Terry, didn't give background on the operation and framed it in a way that benefited Eric Holder. She asked Rick Santorum and Rick Perry if republicans were politicizing the scandal by calling for his resignation. Rick Perry has joined with 57 House Republicans in calls for Holder to resign immediately.

It would  have been helpful for viewers to understand the Obama Justice Department deliberately allowed 2000 guns to be placed in the hands of Mexican drug cartels. The fatal result of this program? Two U.S. federal agents are dead, more than 300 Mexican citizens have been slaughtered. Even Eric Holder admits more people will be killed as a result of the operation for years to come. Questions to GOP candidates about whether criminal charges should be pressed against DOJ officials for their role in Fast and Furious and how they would repair the U.S. relationship with Mexico over the issue would have been more productive in moving the Fast and Furious conversation forward.

Both Santorum and Perry said if Holder was their attorney general, he would be fired for his role in Fast and Furious, whether he knew about gun walking techniques or for being incompetent for not knowing about them.

Although the discussion surrounding Fast and Furious tonight was brief, under 60 seconds, I'm glad the topic finally came up as it has been ignored for months by the mainstream media and been falsely classified as a "botched" operation. Fox News' Bret Baier credited Twitter for pushing the topic into the debate. Hashtags used to promote the topic were #fastandfurious and #murdergate.

Katie Pavlich

Katie Pavlich the News Editor at Townhall.com. Follow her on Twitter @katiepavlich.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker; murdergate
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#murdergate on Twitter, so we're getting somewhere!
1 posted on 12/16/2011 1:32:34 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Now Megyn Kelly will be detained indefinitely for being a terrorist!


2 posted on 12/16/2011 1:37:58 PM PST by struggle
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To: struggle

Megyn Kelly in handcuffs?


3 posted on 12/16/2011 1:42:36 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: struggle
Now Megyn Kelly will be detained indefinitely for being a terrorist!

Even though she's a scummy lawyer, I'll sacrifice myself, for the good of the Country, and volunteer to be the jailer, but only for 10-15 years.

After that, she'll be rehabilitated. heheheheheheh

They have to send in the paramedics for me during the first couple of hours.

4 posted on 12/16/2011 1:46:05 PM PST by USS Alaska (Merry Christmas-Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: neverdem

The gov’t admits over 200 Mexicans were killed with F&F guns, but court documents show that the number is actually much closer to THREE THOUSAND.

Imagine that the Watergate break-in featured 1 hotel staff being killed —would that have worsened the scandal, a bit? OK now instead imagine that 3,000 people at the hotel died —fanciful, right?

Now, venture into the inky black of deep, deeeep space and imagine the entire US media IGNORING that event for a period of ONE FULL YEAR...?

Are your eyes rolling up into your head?

THERE LIES THE CURRENT USA.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 1:48:05 PM PST by gaijin
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To: neverdem
...the topic of Operation Fast and Furious was finally mentioned during the Fox News Sioux City, Iowa debate Thursday night and met with roaring applause from the audience.

Meaning that in spite of MSM obstructionism the word is getting out.

6 posted on 12/16/2011 1:52:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

‘bout time. Ping.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 1:57:29 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: gaijin

Where do you get the number 3000?


8 posted on 12/16/2011 2:04:05 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

The son of the leader of the Sinaloa Cartel was arrested and extradited to Chicago.

He cites that number in court papers there —they asked him.

The number 200 enumerates only those Mexican dead found near a gun confirmed as an F&F gun.


9 posted on 12/16/2011 2:08:45 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; MestaMachine; El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; ..

#murdergate on Twitter

May it help the Terry family find some justice.

Season’s Greetings to all! Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah & Happy New Year!


10 posted on 12/16/2011 2:08:49 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Rick Perry has joined with 57 House Republicans in calls for Holder to resign immediately. Both Santorum and Perry said if Holder was their attorney general, he would be fired for his role in Fast and Furious, whether he knew about gun walking techniques or for being incompetent for not knowing about them.

Good for the two Ricks! Santorum actually said he wouldn't wait for a resignation, he'd fire Holder on the spot.

11 posted on 12/16/2011 2:25:13 PM PST by smoothsailing (Here's Wishing You A Perry Christmas!!!)
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To: MestaMachine

I like the part “met with roaring applause by the audience”.


12 posted on 12/16/2011 2:32:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: neverdem; marktwain; MestaMachine; Joe Brower
It's amazing that a scandal a million times worse than Watergate is still being ignored by the MSM.

But even so, the footprints are getting closer.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 2:38:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

Contact your reps and tell them to vote in favor of HR 490.

Impeach and prosecute Holder, the racist Socialist bastard!


14 posted on 12/16/2011 2:58:53 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: neverdem
Fox News' Bret Baier credited Twitter for pushing the topic into the debate. [Much-needed emphasis added.]

DING! DING! DING! DING!

Notch another one for the Pajamarati! Well done, people!

15 posted on 12/16/2011 3:00:03 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Old Sarge
Impeach and prosecute Holder, the racist Socialist bastard!

Amen, Sarge!

Adjacent cells for Holder and his boss -- so Holder can amuse himself ripping Bozo's throat out through the bars.

16 posted on 12/16/2011 3:03:08 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

17 posted on 12/16/2011 3:09:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: gaijin

I found this

http://www.bob-owens.com/2011/11/report-fast-and-furious-body-count-may-be-3000


18 posted on 12/16/2011 3:21:49 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: neverdem

The MSM is the Democrat Party at work. They will lie and cover-up for their chosen Obama the Great!


19 posted on 12/16/2011 3:25:51 PM PST by FreedBird (p)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Right! Warmer, yes.

And this:

http://neglectedwar.com/blog/archives/6036

About 2 months ago I ran across a link to the original gov’t doc, which was Zembada’s deposition in Chicago about a month after he arrived there, and started telling his amazing stories.

I was totally amazed.

At the time the doc was a fairly raw .pdf, but was a real page-turner; US officials phoning senior members of the Sinaloa to tell them about surveillance, etc, as part of the US “intel for no load interference”-arrangement.

I’m going to look some more for the original document.

**200* counts only the LAST victims of F&F guns and does factor TOTAL Mexican victims.

It is really puzzling how many US publications have latched onto the numbers, 200, and more lately, 300.


20 posted on 12/16/2011 4:12:11 PM PST by gaijin
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