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Newt Needs Cain to Hang Around
Fox News ^ | December 2, 2011 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 12/02/2011 1:34:58 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

...The trouble for Gingrich is that Cain isn’t doing what Perry is and hanging on. Cain maintained his Real Clear Politics Average high-point of 26 percent, essentially tied with Mitt Romney, for only two weeks. And he may go front frontrunner to hash mark in less than a month.

Gingrich would have been better off if Cain’s candidacy would have slowly withered. Gingrich wants to be in a two-way race with Romney and to have only to appear more conservative and more consistent than Romney.

Gingrich might survive daily releases of new skeletons from his past...[snip]....But only if juxtaposed as a binary choice with Romney.

Gingrich the known commodity looks good when the only other contender on the right is the rotting hulk of the Cain campaign, but if Cain is out of the picture..there’s still time for conservatives to reconsider their pick.

With Cain leaving...there is a chance that some other candidate will rise, or rise again, to rival Gingrich. It could be Rick Santorum’s turn on the horse or perhaps the start of a strange new romance among some conservatives for Jon Huntsman, whom many seem to think is more consistent than Gingrich and more conservative than Romney. And for those resigned to a Romney nomination, a protest vote for Ron Paul may look increasingly attractive.

But Perry looks like the best bet to challenge Gingrich. He’s got the money and the personnel and, thanks to being the governor of the state with the most Republicans, has a pretty durable core of national support. He may be too badly damaged by his debate blunders and the Social Security scare tactics employed by the Romney campaign to make it stick, but Perry looks to be the guy who will give Gingrich a run for his money.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012notperry; cain; campaigning; duh; economy; jobs; newt; newtgingrich; perry2012; perry2012not; perryastroturfing; reevaluategingrich; whatisthird

1 posted on 12/02/2011 1:35:06 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
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2 posted on 12/02/2011 1:36:16 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wait....didn’t this headline run last week with Mitt’s name in front?


3 posted on 12/02/2011 1:38:05 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well Huntsman may surge if Romney gets out after NH but he isn’t going anywhere.
-Fred


4 posted on 12/02/2011 1:41:59 PM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: G Larry

I saw that!! Romney’s staffers didn’t want to see Cain go because he was holding Perry down.


5 posted on 12/02/2011 1:42:08 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt will soon poll at double MittWitt’s level...among likely primary voters.

I actually like Perry more than Newt, but he lacks essential skills.


6 posted on 12/02/2011 1:42:22 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
... perhaps the start of a strange new romance among some conservatives for Jon Huntsman ...

Maybe with his daughters...

7 posted on 12/02/2011 1:42:33 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: G Larry

The headline is correct. But the article doesn’t support the headline.

Newt needs Cain all right. Cause after Cain is gone.... All the negative attention will focus on Newt being the adulterer instead of Cain.


8 posted on 12/02/2011 1:43:48 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: CedarDave; Admin Moderator

I neither support nor oppose Huntsman. But I do oppose reading one of the scummiest remarks ever regarding a decent man like this.


9 posted on 12/02/2011 1:45:59 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Bobalu

yep..

I’d bet big money Gingrich knows more of the details of Perry’s issues than Perry does


10 posted on 12/02/2011 1:48:15 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Lazlo in PA
" It could be Rick Santorum’s turn on the horse "

It's spreading....

11 posted on 12/02/2011 1:48:52 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; CedarDave
I don't know if that remark is out of line. As a Conservative, I find his daughters far more appealing than Huntsman himself. They are hot and in interviews they are a lot more lively than their stick in the mud old man.

Other than his economic plan, Huntsman is a real RINO dud.

12 posted on 12/02/2011 1:51:21 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The headline is correct. But the article doesn’t support the headline. Newt needs Cain all right. Cause after Cain is gone.... All the negative attention will focus on Newt being the adulterer instead of Cain.

My thoughts exactly! At least Cain (even assuming the worst) has managed to stay married to the same woman. Heck, even Clinton managed to do that.

13 posted on 12/02/2011 1:53:26 PM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They look of age, but maybe not. You’re certainly welcome to “report abuse.”

For others, they can go to this post and judge for themselves:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815372/posts?page=17#17


14 posted on 12/02/2011 1:53:32 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: Huck

As I have argued with you from the start, attrition is Ricks best friend.

Santorum 2012


15 posted on 12/02/2011 1:54:08 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Bobalu
Well I would argue Perry has the essential skills to govern our nation out of this mess.

My question to you is, how good of a pick is Newt if Obama refuses to debate? 1 billion to spend on a treasure trove of Newt baggage,and Newt himself is not even that likeable.

16 posted on 12/02/2011 1:57:43 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Well, if Newt can hurry up and self-destruct, Santorum ought to be next in line. I suppose he has a shot. But if Perry and Gingrich stay in, he's not gonna have the juice.

I've never bothered to consider if I could vote for Santorum. I won't waste any thought on it until it seems warranted.

17 posted on 12/02/2011 1:58:21 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
They ARE of age!
...Mary Anne, age 26, Abby, age 25, and Liddy, age 22 have tirelessly taken to the campaign trail on behalf of their dad

Nothing scummy about them or my remark.

18 posted on 12/02/2011 2:01:35 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: normy

Obama will never debate Newt.

Lets hope Newt can score points making Zero look like a sniveling coward because of his refusal.

Like telling Zero he can use a teleprompter and choose 3 people to feed him hints while the debate rages on. He still would refuse to debate.


19 posted on 12/02/2011 2:03:06 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Not trying to hijack your thread ...


20 posted on 12/02/2011 2:05:38 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
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21 posted on 12/02/2011 2:10:30 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: CedarDave
Nothing scummy about them or my remark.

I am with you brother. I often cite them as the only thing going for this dud. They are smokin'.

22 posted on 12/02/2011 2:10:53 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: CedarDave

23 posted on 12/02/2011 2:14:20 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: All
Cain is staying in is my vote.

But that want be his major announcement tomorrow. He has Irrefutably proof that Ginger White is lying. Either his text message or proof that he was somewhere else the night of the Mike tyson fight.

If Gloria Cain is anything like the Black women I know and he had been diddling those skanks. No way in hell would be going home to see here. You really think Gloria Cain would be chairperson of Women for Cain if she could not trust him.

One question for everyone that thinks Cain is sleeping with Ginger White. You ever see a black lady find out her man has been sleeping around, now can you imagine it to be with a unemployeed white skank?

IMHO

24 posted on 12/02/2011 2:15:28 PM PST by Bailee
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To: Lazlo in PA

The blondes need to dump the red lipstick.


25 posted on 12/02/2011 2:15:44 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'll vote for Mitt Romney when Hell freezes over. He's as bad or worse than Zero.)
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To: Fledermaus

What are you, some sort of Commie subversive? LOL


26 posted on 12/02/2011 2:20:16 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Bobalu

I’ll take Door Number One, Monty.


27 posted on 12/02/2011 2:20:59 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Let’s go Perry. Time for surge.


28 posted on 12/02/2011 2:38:45 PM PST by Tribune7 (Perry or Santorum (rickrolling))
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To: Responsibility2nd
I neither support nor oppose Huntsman. But I do oppose reading one of the scummiest remarks ever regarding a decent man like this.

I agree that family members should be off limits until they make themselves part of the campaign. Huntsman's daughters have clearly done this.

That being said, the man is a libertarian Republican, not a Conservate, and this is a Conservative website.

29 posted on 12/02/2011 2:43:14 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Tribune7; Cincinatus' Wife
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30 posted on 12/02/2011 2:47:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Bobalu

Not one person is going to care about the presidential debates beyond the entertainment factor.

Those who are going to vote for Obama will vote for Obama, regardless of whether he debates or how he performs in those debates.

Those who are going to vote for the not-Obama will vote for the not-Obama, regardless of whether he debates or how we performs in those debates.

The debates are a not a significant basis for choosing a nominee.


31 posted on 12/02/2011 2:52:11 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Tribune7

Perry, Santorum, Bachman: time to get back to talking about conservative principles for saving the nation.

Let’s see these three get the chance to really show their conservative stuff again.


32 posted on 12/02/2011 2:57:15 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Bobalu
Obama will never debate Newt.

I like Newt's alternative plan if Zero passes on debates. He said he will follow Zero around and give stump speaches as if they had a debate where Zero went first - just like Lincoln did to Douglas.

33 posted on 12/02/2011 3:00:42 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: fightinJAG

Dittos!


34 posted on 12/02/2011 3:02:03 PM PST by Tribune7 (Perry or Santorum (rickrolling))
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To: smoothsailing; Tribune7; Cincinatus' Wife
Perry is looking better everyday. No character questions and his position on the issues is solidly conservative. I won't be sorry to see Cain go, but I wish it was because of his erratic positions on the issues. I really don't think he did anything wrong with those women in the work place and this latest problem sounds more like “no good deed goes unpunished” with helping this woman.
35 posted on 12/02/2011 3:12:26 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Gov.Perry or the newt, tough choice.
/s


36 posted on 12/02/2011 3:23:28 PM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s time for a Perry (re)surge!


37 posted on 12/02/2011 4:01:02 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: independent in tx
I'm miffed as to why Perry isn't picking up at least SOME of the people that left Cain. Why these people would go 100% to Newt Gingrich (potential amnesty) makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever.

All I can figure is the core of these people got hyper-offended at Perry and cannot/will not give him another chance. Plus, I figure some of them think the Perry camp is behind some of the Cain-women innuendo. To date, there is simply no evidence of that.

Nothing else makes any sense to me.

38 posted on 12/02/2011 4:15:32 PM PST by mikhailovich
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To: fightinJAG
Not one person is going to care about the presidential debates beyond the entertainment factor

39 posted on 12/02/2011 4:17:34 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: Bobalu

I actually like Perry more than Newt, but he lacks essential skills.

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Like what kind of essential skills?

If Cain drops out I will probably move to the Perry Camp.


40 posted on 12/02/2011 4:51:31 PM PST by not2worry
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To: Bobalu

That has zero relevance to today’s situation where candidates are accessible through media 24/7 and where there are cable news channels and talk radio wholly dedicated to the year-round discussion of politics.


41 posted on 12/02/2011 5:54:23 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Maelstorm

Huntsman is not as much of a joke as I originally thought, but he is not a contender.


42 posted on 12/02/2011 7:18:00 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Bobalu

Perry lacks essential skills?

I don’t think so. He’s actually run a state, a large state for 11 years quite skillfully.

If you mean debating skills, Perry’s mouth doesn’t run a mile a minute but he expresses himself extremely well in all his interviews. Contrast his interview with Brett Baiar with that of Romney.

Romney got testy, couldn’t take the heat and whined later.

Rick was calm and genial and answered every question honestly and well.

Now, Gingrich has the mouth, but that mouth can get him into trouble as quickly as it got him into national contention. He’s smart and I like him, but he has political A.D.D. He has a million ideas but he has a problem with consistency and focus.

Not dissin’ Newt completely, but Rick is the better man.

So far we’ve had several rise to the top only to fall. We had Sarah, who backed out of running.

We had Cain who self-destructed.

We’ve got Romney whose numbers are decent but haven’t moved.

If Perry could just get a big bump somehow, I think he could bring it home.


43 posted on 12/02/2011 7:24:44 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

Too bad he’s not more like his father.


44 posted on 12/02/2011 7:44:39 PM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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