Posted on 12/01/2011 5:32:02 PM PST by presidio9
Newt Gingrich, whose GOP competitors accuse him of being soft on illegal immigration, pledged Thursday, if elected president, to build a double fence along the Mexican border during his first days in the White House.
“We haven’t been able to build a fence on the border because we have not been a serious country,” the former House speaker said at an event in Iowa, before he signed his name to the pledge sponsored by the activist group Americans for Securing the Border.
Gingrich has maintained that the border needs securing but has also suggested that some of the 11 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S. be permitted to stay in the U.S. legally. Some of his competition, including Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, has called that policy “amnesty.”
Bachmann was the first candidate, and is the only other 2012 contender to sign the pledge.
The candidates pledge “to support and speedily expedite the construction of a date-certain, secure multi-layered fence (fence locations to be specified
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You forgot to mention the $5000 penalty.
Why, isn't he the historic jackass perpetually honored by the RAT mascot?
I am not for a fence. personally i believe its going to cost alot of money we don’t have and the mexicans will just figure out a way through it.
why not just enforce the laws. quite giving them all the freebies and watch them flood back to mexico.
You have a deal!
Advocates of amnesty should not be taken seriously if they claim to be also in favor of tougher border control.
Make it impossible for them to work or derive sustenance here and they will self deport. Scorched earth for the illegals, this is war and we need to fight to win. Anything less is surrender to them and the eventual death of the American Republic, or I suppose you have stats to prove they are assimilating and becoming the long promised "new conservative base", we`ve been told of by the pro-amnesty crowd?
And while we`re at it, try giving 10% of the fines to anyone who snitches on the employer who is using illegals. I know I`ll drop dime in a heartbeat for 10% of the fines, I`d impose, per illegal!
Speaking of fences, how’s that fence working out there in San Diego?
Do you really think that making them legal, but not giving them an option for citizenship will stand? Even if the Democrats went along initially, it would not be long before cries about ‘second class (non) citizens’ were being made. Those in support of legalization, but not a path to citizenship would be the new racists, the new bigots, the new haters of Hispanics.
And Newt would almost certainly cave to this sort of name calling. Just look at his disgraceful and shameful betrayal on racial preferences back in the 90s. He once talked tough ending racial preferences, but once he attained the position and power to do something about it, he caved. He could have got a strong and popular anti-preferences bill passed and made it hard for Clinton to veto it, but he decided opposing preferences (and defending the interest of poor-middle class whites) was not worth it. He decided it didn’t fit the image of a modern GOP (i.e. one where he didn’t get called nasty names) he was trying to build.
So yeah, I think the chance that a President Gingrich would change his mind, and decide to grant a path to citizenship for all the red card holders to be about 99%. And then of course the vast majority of those that do go on to become citizens and vote will vote Democratic. And the GOP’s demographic destruction will happen that much sooner.
I haven't spoken with you in a while. Are you admitting you're in the Perry camp yet or are you still denying it?
To hell with that. Sign a pledge to cut (not reduce the growth of) the Federal Budget.
I am well aware of when the piece was written. I have read all 25 pages.
Pro-amnesty Newt said, "Anything less than requiring people who are working here illegally to return home to apply for a worker visa is amnesty."
He did not say we should allow a "small percentage of illegals who pay taxes, receive no entitlements, can pay for health care, have no criminal record". He said, "Anything less than requiring people who are working here illegally to return home to apply for a worker visa is amnesty."
Not only is he a flip-flopper, he is a pro-amnesty flip-flopper.
And your attempt at defending his flip-flopping was, frankly, pathetic. But thank you for playing.
Multiply that by at least 3.
Did he say when the fence would be completed by? No, I didn't think so. IOW, it's just political posturing.
Newt Gingrich and I both agree with your ideas about enforcing EVerify and so forth. The part that you are ignoring is the fact that a huge percentage, perhaps even a majority of illegals work for individuals as independant contractors, not employees. Their occupations include maid, babysitter/nanny, handyman, delivery boy, caddie, gardener, prostitute, livery cab driver, painter, the list goes on.
And then there are all the illegals working for the really tiny small businesses, the resteraunts, the mom & pop stores, the unregistered contractors, the independant farmers. This list goes on too. No doubt we can make things harder for these really small businesses, but you tell me how we’re going to police the independant contractors. Are we going to assign people to follow mom & dad home from their date night to see just who was watching the kids? It’s just not practical. And even if it were, it is clear that you are still not listening to what Gingrich is saying. What about the people he’s talking about? The people who have been here for 25 years, who have kids & grandkids who are citizens. Will they leave when you take away their livelyhood? Of course not. You will make their life harder, sure, but families will do what families have always done. They will take them in and you won’t have solved the problem.
We can make things a lot harder on t
I don’t want to waste money building a double fence along the entire border. And Newt is stupid for agreeing to this — and he’s not a stupid man, he knows better.
Its pretty obvious you are lying. If you had read it, you would know that the statement was in referrence to a proposed revised worker visa program, along with "smart cards," and other provisions. These were the "visas" he was referring to, and they currently don't exist.
No need to thank me for "playing." The game here seems to be that people like you invent lies about candidates who are not named Herman Cain, and people like me clear them up. What happens is that others read these threads, and they get to learn things they didn't know about candidates.
I'd love to slap you around further as it is fun but I have things to do. So if you choose to embarrass yourself further you'll have to find someone else to share your moronic messages with. Given that most here are smarter than you that shouldn't be a challenge.
Cheers!
Later.
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