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ATF Death Watch 107: How Many Guns?(Gunwalker)
The Truth About Guns ^ | 20 October, 2011 | Robert Farago

Posted on 10/21/2011 4:50:48 AM PDT by marktwain

I find it astounding that the Congressional Oversight Committee and the Justice Department are in a pissing match over a single firearm. Representative Issa’s investigators have every reason to believe there were at least three ATF-enabled firearms at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Their opinion is based, in part, on a recorded conversation between the owner of Badger Guns and an ATF Agent wherein the Agent said “There were actually three weapons [recovered].” As today’s letter from Issa and Senator Grassley to the FBI reveals, it’s possible there were as many as five guns involved. And yet the Justice Department decided to make the number of ATF-enabled murder weapons an issue—accusing Issa of political pandering while continuing to claim that the FBI only found two Fast and Furious-related firearms at the scene. Ah yes, the FBI . . .

The FBI is a completely unreliable source of information; the Bureau stands accused of covering-up the exact details surrounding Agent’s Terry’s murder. At the very least, the Bureau is stonewalling on behalf of the Attorney General by refusing to turn over key documents requested by the Oversight Committee. More likely they’re desperately attempting to conceal their own role in the ATF’s “Guns for Goons” program.

We know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation manipulated their NICS criminal background check system to allow ATF-favored felons to [illegally] purchase firearms from ATF-monitored U.S. gun dealers. Note: that’s not the kind of move an FBI Agent at the sharp end could or would make without authorization from the Bureau’s top officials.

Those FBI “higher ups” would not have agreed to pervert NICS without speaking to the ATF’s top officials. And those ATF officials would have had to have informed the FBI brass WTF they were doing to receive the FBI’s cooperation. Unless . . . someone even higher up in the food chain told the FBI to STFU and push the buttons that let ex-cons carry guns to Sinaloa drug cartel members.

Be that as it may, the FBI was up to its eyeballs in Operation Fast and Furious before Agent Terry was murdered by drug thugs wielding ATF-enabled firearms. When the FBI got the call to deal with the aftermath of Terry’s murder—forensics, witness interviews, the lot—they performed their duties according to the FBI’s number one priority: protect the Bureau.

Even if you focus exclusively on the Terry case, there are a large range of deeply disturbing questions surrounding the FBI’s investigation. Issa and Grassley’s letter lists 16 separate lines of enquiry, drilling down to the most basic: how many people were involved in the shooting and where the hell are they? To find answers, the pols repeat their request for F&F-related internal comms between no less than nine FBI employees.

The letter highlights a three-month delay between the Committee’s initial request and the new missive, and sets a deadline for the FBI’s cooperation: November 2. Meanwhile, high-ranking democrats are calling the new subpoenas a “politically motivated fishing expedition.” At least someone did; I heard them bitch and moan on the radio but can’t find the remarks on Google. Which tells you that the Gunwalker scandal has reached another watershed moment.

The funny thing about all this “how many guns did the FBI recover” skirmish is that Fast and Furious unleashed at least 2000 weapons during its ten-month tenure. What’s a gun or three here and there compared to this “iron river” of weapons walked across the border to the Sinaloans with Uncle Sam’s blessing? And what’s that number compared to the American fully automatic machine guns and grenades walked across town by “defecting” Mexican troops?

elimparcial.com reports that nearly 45,000 soldiers and marines deserted the Mexican Armed Forces since Felipe Calderon assumed the presidency in 2006. If each soldier brought four guns with them (on average), that’s 180k weapons for Mexican drug cartels. Which doesn’t include thousands of firearms and millions of bullets stolen from army arsenals or the thousands of machine guns that the Mexican cartels “requisitioned” from Mexican police. Your tax money hard at work.

All of which leaves the same question on the table that I brought up a bazillion Death Watches ago: why did the ATF bother enabling the smuggling of a couple of thousand guns from a relative handful of U.S. gun stores when the U.S. government had bought (one way or another) tens of thousands of guns through “legitimate” export? Now there’s a question for Representative Issa and Senator Grassley.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; obama; statedept
Worthwhile questions from Robert Farago.
1 posted on 10/21/2011 4:50:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 10/21/2011 4:57:27 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; MestaMachine; Nachum
"We're still pursuing gun control, but under the radar."


3 posted on 10/21/2011 5:48:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

ATF Deathwatch. Who is watching and how many deaths?


4 posted on 10/21/2011 6:04:22 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
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The FBI is a completely unreliable source of information; the Bureau stands accused of covering-up the exact details surrounding Agent’s Terry’s murder. At the very least, the Bureau is stonewalling on behalf of the Attorney General by refusing to turn over key documents requested by the Oversight Committee. More likely they’re desperately attempting to conceal their own role in the ATF’s “Guns for Goons” program.

We know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation manipulated their NICS criminal background check system to allow ATF-favored felons to [illegally] purchase firearms from ATF-monitored U.S. gun dealers. Note: that’s not the kind of move an FBI Agent at the sharp end could or would make without authorization from the Bureau’s top officials.

Those FBI “higher ups” would not have agreed to pervert NICS without speaking to the ATF’s top officials. And those ATF officials would have had to have informed the FBI brass WTF they were doing to receive the FBI’s cooperation. Unless . . . someone even higher up in the food chain told the FBI to STFU and push the buttons that let ex-cons carry guns to Sinaloa drug cartel members.

Be that as it may, the FBI was up to its eyeballs in Operation Fast and Furious before Agent Terry was murdered by drug thugs wielding ATF-enabled firearms. - When the FBI got the call to deal with the aftermath of Terry’s murder—forensics, witness interviews, the lot — they performed their duties according to the FBI’s number one priority: protect the Bureau.

. . . . Oh, oh. Read the entire article.

5 posted on 10/21/2011 6:24:49 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

” Be that as it may, the FBI was up to its eyeballs in Operation Fast and Furious before Agent Terry was murdered by drug thugs wielding ATF-enabled firearms. - “

The current FBI is run by a demonstrable FOOL.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 6:57:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: LucyT

When the FBI got the call to deal with the aftermath of Terry’s murder—forensics, witness interviews, the lot — they performed their duties according to the FBI’s number one priority: protect the Bureau.


And number 2 is to protect Obama...


7 posted on 10/21/2011 8:00:09 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: marktwain
Fast and Furious unleashed at least 2000 weapons during its ten-month tenure

Is it any wonder the violence has escalated? It's our own fault that it's spilling across the border.

8 posted on 10/21/2011 8:22:59 PM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
The current FBI is run by a demonstrable FOOL.

Countless departments are being run by 12 year olds. The next POTUS won't get anything done for cleaning house.

9 posted on 10/21/2011 8:25:08 PM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: bgill

” Countless departments are being run by 12 year olds”

Countless is right.


10 posted on 10/22/2011 5:59:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: LucyT
...the FBI was up to its eyeballs in Operation Fast and Furious before Agent Terry was murdered by drug thugs wielding ATF-enabled firearms.

This program was big - waaaaaay bigger than the cover story for it would justify...

11 posted on 10/22/2011 7:27:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (OWS - a scam to shift blame for unemployment and misery away from Obama..)
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To: bgill

“Is it any wonder the violence has escalated? It’s our own fault that it’s spilling across the border.”

That is the intent. F & F is a direct assualt on the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment rights of American Citizens.

By promoting violence in both Mexico and the United States, Obama and his ultra progressive fellow travelers hope to promote public opposition to firearms, with the result of the public demanding severe restrictions on weapon accquistion for a start, and later large public acceptance and support of firearm confiscation.

Instead of supporting and defending the Constitution the Obama Administration is actively undermining it.


12 posted on 10/22/2011 8:49:24 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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