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In spotlight, Herman Cain survives Attacks
politico.com ^ | 10/12/11 | Staff

Posted on 10/12/2011 4:56:29 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

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To: BarnacleCenturion

Thanks!

8+ minutes into it, Cain, Bachmann and Gingrich are doing well, with Romney and Perry looking weak.


101 posted on 10/12/2011 7:01:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Grunthor
For the record, I voted for Palin last time. I will not vote for Romney because my major objection to Obama is forcing health care down our throat. Guess what Romney did in MA? Lost jobs and higher premiums later, Romney still believes in it. ObamaCare is here to stay in spite of what Romney is saying in the primaries.

As far as staying home, don't worry, a Republican vote in NJ is a waste of energy.

102 posted on 10/12/2011 7:02:24 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (It Could Have Been Worse Is Not A Defense For Bad Policy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Please. Gingrich buys a house in VA, gets a VA driver’s license and voila, he’s from Virginia. The restriction is on “inhabitant.” Too easy.


103 posted on 10/12/2011 7:02:23 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I agree. Cain was the new guy to attack. I thought he weathered it well.

9.99 wouldn’t be the price of a GodFather Pizza...that would be 2 for 9.99. They were always running a special trying to get the price as low as possible.


104 posted on 10/12/2011 7:04:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: TomGuy

When Santorum did that, I cringed. It was a brilliant move and I think it harmed Cain... a LOT!! When it happened I found myself hoping not many people were watching the debate. I almost didn’t watch it because it was Bloomberg and those messages at the bottom promoting Hussein were annoying me to the point of wanting to smash the tv but I stuck it out.


105 posted on 10/12/2011 7:06:49 AM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Mr. K
"Ted Nugent- Sec. of Defense."

now THAT would be freakin awesome!
106 posted on 10/12/2011 7:10:33 AM PDT by Newton (If Obama is the answer it's probably a stupid question.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

If Romney gets the nod, it’s 4 more for Obama,
Romney ‘WILL NOT’ beat Obama, pure and simple.

Herman Cain CAN and WILL beat Obama, pure and simple.

Cain 2011


107 posted on 10/12/2011 7:11:48 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: PreciousLiberty
That depends on how many Americans are willing to actually sacrifice a bit to save their country. I hope sufficient numbers are smart enough

They won't and they aren't smart enough. They elected Hussien didn't they? You think the freeloaders want to have to actually contribute something? Not in a million years.

108 posted on 10/12/2011 7:14:12 AM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Huck

Huck, you crack me up.... I understand the hesitancy you have towards a national sales tax. I do as well. I highly doubt it would make it through congress to his desk.

As calculated for me, if my current income tax rate of 24% was dropped to 9% given last years sales receipts (yes i am a dork and budget crazily) I would have come out ahead by 1.34%. Not bad.

The only way I could truly support such a plan would be if it was legislated through the constitutional amendment process. A repeal of the 16th and replaced with the new plan locking the rates. This would never happen but the discussion is important.

I do think that the nature of the sales tax would make everyone have skin in the game. The lower 47% would be just as much against an increase than the 53% that pay taxes today. I also believe they may start voting differently because they would have skin in the game.


109 posted on 10/12/2011 7:14:23 AM PDT by bbernard
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Santorum is doing very well too.


110 posted on 10/12/2011 7:16:23 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mojitojoe
I have previously posted the info below, and it fits in with Santorum's 2nd question: How many people believe that we’ll keep the income tax at 9 percent?

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111 posted on 10/12/2011 7:21:40 AM PDT by TomGuy
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In order of preference:

Cain

Bachmann

Santorum & Gingrich

Most improved: Bachmann

112 posted on 10/12/2011 7:21:51 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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What an arrogant creep Romney is.


113 posted on 10/12/2011 7:28:12 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tirednvirginia

I never believed Cain actually told the press he was going to “Go after Romney”

At least not in the way they hoped he would


114 posted on 10/12/2011 7:29:04 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: cuban leaf

I agree with your disagreement

And rightly so


115 posted on 10/12/2011 7:34:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: cizinec; Huck

Compared to Romney Cain’s campaign is broke. That’s why he’s doing the fundraising rounds and why he’s lost some staff. The staff don’t work for free. It’s their livelihood.

Cain needed something to catapult him into name recognition and 9-9-9 does that. It simultaneously addresses the Federal Debt, the tax and tariff wedges, inflation, government spending and entitlements like SS & Medicare. It’s brilliant and reminds me of Gingrich.

Cain has a bunch of supply-side advisers. Ignore all the grumping about this. Cain’s done a solid job of thinking the plan through. I’ve read the criticisms and they’re hollow or resolvable through legislation.

In the end there are two types of political actors throughout history - income redistribution and income growth.

Cain is for income growth.


116 posted on 10/12/2011 7:46:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: mojitojoe

“They won’t and they aren’t smart enough. They elected Hussien didn’t they?”

They sure did, and now they’ve seen how that worked out. There are a LOT of remorseful 0 voters these days.

“You think the freeloaders want to have to actually contribute something? Not in a million years.”

I’ll grant there are possibly as many as 30% of the people in this country who’re that morally bankrupt. That leaves 70%, which would be a massive landslide in an election. Don’t give up hope, or as some say “despair is a sin”.

(The ongoing travesty of illegal immigration has skewed things a bit in the wrong direction. That needs to be fixed sooner rather than later.)


117 posted on 10/12/2011 7:53:26 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Cain '12 - Take Back America!!!)
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To: USS Alaska
...and the not bad looking hoe from bloomberg news.

That's "ho", man. HO! A hoe is a garden implement. A ho be fo' throwin' down, dog.

118 posted on 10/12/2011 8:12:32 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: USS Alaska
...and the not bad looking hoe from bloomberg news.

That's "ho", man. HO! A hoe is a garden implement. A ho be fo' throwin' down, dog.

119 posted on 10/12/2011 8:12:45 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: jgge

Good luck.


120 posted on 10/12/2011 8:13:28 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: jgge
You cannot win elections when you are telling the 50% of the population who pay zero taxes after filing all their deductions under the current tax code that they have to pay a mandatory 9% taxes on their income with zero deductions and an additional 9% national sales tax on every item they purchase including the basic items such as food and clothing.

People are not listening to Cain's statements. He wants to do away with the current tax code with its confusing exemptions and loopholes...not add this 999 tax plan to it. Thus, a person's tax payments will be reduced from what they pay now because feds will be getting 9% versus 12% or up. You will have more, not less of your hard earned money for purchasing things...food, clothing, etc. And, there will be no tax on purchases of used items, only new. So if you buy things from a second-hand store, recycle shop, etc...no tax. Here's a summary:

Phase 1 Enhanced Plan – Summary

•Unites all tax payers so we all pay income taxes and no one pays payroll taxes •Provides the least incentive to evade taxes and the fewest opportunities to do so •Lifts a $430 billion dead-weight burden on the economy due to compliance, enforcement, collection, etc. •Is fair, neutral, transparent, and efficient •Ends nearly all deductions and special interest favors •Ends all payroll taxes •Ends the Death Tax •Features zero tax on capital gains and repatriated profits •Lowest marginal rates on production •Allows immediate expensing of business investments •Eliminates double taxation of dividends •Increases capital formation. Capital per worker drives productivity and wage growth •Capital formation will aid capital availability for small businesses •Features a platform to launch properly structured Empowerment Zones to revitalize our inner cities

•We all know the Fed has tripled the money supply since 2008. They have been printing money out of thin air to finance the Obama spending machine. While true Fed reform that restores sound money may have to wait for my election, the best thing we can do now is to pursue policies that increase the DEMAND for dollars to help mitigate the risks associated with the increase in the supply. •Pro-growth economic policies equal a strong dollar policy

Go to Cain's website to read more and know what it is about.

121 posted on 10/12/2011 8:15:41 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of the decline of the USA)
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To: CitizenM; jgge
People are not listening to Cain's statements. He wants to do away with the current tax code with its confusing exemptions and loopholes...not add this 999 tax plan to it. Thus, a person's tax payments will be reduced from what they pay now because feds will be getting 9% versus 12% or up. You will have more, not less of your hard earned money for purchasing things...food, clothing, etc

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I think that you are missing the point....

If 50% currently pay no income tax then any shift toward a 9-9-9 plan would automatically increase what they pay to 9% of what they spend. It will not fly.

Santorum nailed it last night...not a single hand raised.

btw...telling the average voter to go to a website to learn more about a tax plan will accomplish nothing. Cain either sells it in the face of the ridicule or he goes down with it.

I can see the obama ads now...

"To all you struggling out there to feed your kids, to pay the rent, to buy pampers for the baby...and who don't earn enough to pay income taxes...Herman Cain wants to add 9% to the cost of the food, the rent, the baby's diapers..."

122 posted on 10/12/2011 8:26:56 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Sheppard air force base, air force training command, I spent six months of quality time there, same year you boy wonder graduated high school, just a little north and east of paint creek. The area you are describing is van horn, texas. I have been there also.


123 posted on 10/12/2011 8:32:49 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: mojitojoe
When Santorum did that, I cringed. It was a brilliant move and I think it harmed Cain... a LOT!! When it happened I found myself hoping not many people were watching the debate.

______________________________________

Cringe or not but it showed exactly how America will react to 999. It is a deal killer and Cain will ride it right to the bottom.

124 posted on 10/12/2011 8:32:52 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: moose-matson

Agree 100%.


125 posted on 10/12/2011 8:36:10 AM PDT by jgge
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126 posted on 10/12/2011 8:49:08 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: pyx

“Herman Cain,
Respectfully, if analysts are making the wrong assumptions about how the 9-9-9 Plan is derived, PLEASE TELL THE GENERAL PUBLIC THE CORRECT ASSUMPTIONS TO MAKE AS TO HOW THE 9-9-9 Plan is derived. Thank you. “

Good point; also just show us the entire details. Just saying that questioners assumptions are wrong won’t get the DNC media propaganda machine off his case.


127 posted on 10/12/2011 9:10:24 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: CincyRichieRich

“I agree whole agree and would make a few adjustments. As a cost savings measure, make Palin EPA and DOE head. Bolton would be Sec of State. Nugent likely would not fly, but Bolton could do that. If Coulter not press secretary and if Gingrich not VP,then Gingrich press secretary.”

As a better cost savings measure, get rid of the EPA. Unless you get a filibuster proof majority, Bolton and Coulter as well as Nugent also would not pass muster.

Gingrich needs to be somewhere highly visible both before and after election; I love the way he lobs grenades at the DNC media propaganda machine (I refuse to call them news organizations, press, or journalists because they lost their credibility in that area a long time ago).


128 posted on 10/12/2011 9:19:21 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: TomGuy
I loved that part. I said before the debate I would credit whoever went after 9-9-9 hard, and that was Santorum. Bachmann's comments on 9-9-9 were ditzy and ineffective, but Santorum really threw punches. He had derision in his voice. I thought it was just exactly what I was looking for.

He's the only one I heard give a full-throated attack on it. So I give him credit for it. As a still undecided voter, stuff like that makes a difference.

129 posted on 10/12/2011 9:21:37 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: muawiyah; Jim Robinson

“We all must note that the LEFT COAST stayed uniformly Democrat ~ which is a long term problem we will probably need to address with re-education camps, or maybe cut off their water or something (except Fresno BTW).”

Quit sucking up to the boss. LOL


130 posted on 10/12/2011 9:23:45 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: subterfuge
lol. I remain undecided. Based on last night's debate, I am giving a second look at Newt, who continues to perform very well in that forum, and Santorum, who was the only one who really made a full-throated attack on the idiotic 9-9-9 plan.
131 posted on 10/12/2011 9:25:48 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: TomGuy

So when they raise it and consumer spending suddenly drops a corresponding percentage you don’t think they’ll get the clue? Lower spending would equal less revenue, the Laffer Curve pretty much dictates the maximum rate, whatever that may be (it could be lower or higher than 9%).

That’s why a NRST is not a political tool, the market regulates the rate not some establishment political hack. Income tax is taken from you/me before we even see our checks, we don’t have a choice like we would at the register.


132 posted on 10/12/2011 9:37:09 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“And A&M is a STATE school with extremely low tuition.”

Not that cheap anymore but I was going to UT a couple of years earlier than him and my tuition was $50 a semester and the student activity fee was $17.50. I’m sure his was similar. My how things have changed.


133 posted on 10/12/2011 9:37:27 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: trisham

I also can’t stomach the thought of voting for Romney under any circumstances. Being an unreadable automon may be an advantage in business but even Cain has more vision, leadership and integrity. Any change in the situation and Romney would give away the store without blinking an eye.

Not only my preferred candidate Huntsman, they all need to sharpen their attacks against Mitt. Go for the kill. This strategy of wasting debates aimed at candidates that surge for a week or two is for losers.


134 posted on 10/12/2011 10:12:53 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: bray

Cain is very beatable by Obama because Cain’s supporters are not vetting him. He’s run for 2 elected offices,(2000 POTUS and 2004 Senate) and he has both given and received endorsements. He had a newspaper column and a radio show. He has a record out there. And you can bet Obama, the establishment Republicans and the MSM are going over it with a fine tooth comb.

I find it ironic that a party that calls itself Taxed Enough Already is supporting a candidate that wants to implement a new tax. Is this national sales tax going to apply to internet sales? As I understand it, this whole thing relies on scrapping the current tax code. Yet, Mr. Cain is talking about Empowerment Zones. These are authorized through the tax code. If the tax code is scrapped, does he intend to establish a new agency to administer the Zones? Personally, I am tired of giving money to areas that continually vote Democrat and then expect the rest of the nation to bail them out of their financial difficulties. Before Cain tells me about 9-9-9, he needs to tell me about cut-cut-cut.

This election, we’re not only fighting the Democrats, but also the Republicans. Remember the last minute George W. Bush DUI story? What happens if at the last minute the MSM reveals Cain was endorsed in 2004 by Joe Beasley, Operations Director of the SE Region of Rainbow/PUSH. Beasley is a man who loathes Clarence Thomas because Thomas is “black as the sun” but he appears to be comfortable endorsing Cain. How do we justify that endorsement? Oh they attend the same church and are friends. Isn’t that what Obama said about Wright and Bill Ayers?

Vet Herman Cain. Knowing where he stands on issues is not smearing him. We need to either prove, or disprove what is said about his record. GA freepers who remember the 2004 election need to weigh in. This site presents some of his record from 1999 to the present:

http://christiancitizens.org/herman_cain_for_president.html

This time the fate of the nation really does rely on getting it right.


135 posted on 10/12/2011 10:16:24 AM PDT by Mari2525
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To: petercooper
That's a bit different....Gore's was a scheme. LOL
136 posted on 10/12/2011 11:01:05 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (http://www.honorflight.org/)
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To: Mari2525

“He stands diametrically opposed the fundamental positions of pro-liberty candidates like Ron Paul.”

LMAO!!!!! Seriously!


137 posted on 10/12/2011 11:17:51 AM PDT by 07Jack
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To: Huck

Yeah, it is pretty funny that you prefer to trash one particular front runner while at the same time being so wishy washy about the field in general.

Good luck supporting the global warming koolaid drinker, Newt.


138 posted on 10/12/2011 11:31:32 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: 07Jack

Yes. Seriously! This is the information that is out there. Cain supporters need to be able to counter this information with facts other than LMAO.

Look at the statement on that site that Cain financially donated to Kerrey. Research shows it was to Bob Kerrey while Cain lived in Nebraska and it was only a drop in the bucket $250 donation. But how many people will read that and make the leap that he was supporting the more well known John Kerry.

Instead of LMAO, why don’t you show the truth or untruth of the statement you highlighted. FreeRepublic shows up on google searches. Let’s make sure people looking for Herman Cain can find factual information.


139 posted on 10/12/2011 11:47:05 AM PDT by Mari2525
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To: Huck

I agree the Newt has gained ground.

I have opened my thinking to him but I don’t know if I can open it wide enough to want him for President. My memory cells may not be what they use to be, but I still remember him and Nancy Pelosi talking about Global Warming.

Some “optics” are just hard to forget - especially when you didn’t want to see them in the first place.


140 posted on 10/12/2011 12:15:47 PM PDT by not2worry (IF YOUR ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM)
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To: subterfuge

9-9-9 is absolutely toxic. You’ll see.


141 posted on 10/12/2011 12:16:38 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: moose-matson
I can see the obama ads now...

That's right. Cain IS 9-9-9, and it's the one scenario where Obama can clearly win.

142 posted on 10/12/2011 12:18:31 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: mojitojoe
When Santorum did that, I cringed. It was a brilliant move and I think it harmed Cain... a LOT!! When it happened I found myself hoping not many people were watching the debate.

Don't you worry. The truth will out, and Cain will go down with his dumb plan. I cheered Santorum.

143 posted on 10/12/2011 12:20:21 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: subterfuge

By the way, I trash any and all the candidates. That includes the Shill, The Dunce, The Ditz, the Ego, The Kook, The Tea Taxer, and anyone else I forgot.


144 posted on 10/12/2011 12:21:49 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: not2worry
I have opened my thinking to him but I don’t know if I can open it wide enough to want him for President.

Me either. But it's slim pickens.

145 posted on 10/12/2011 12:23:58 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: 07Jack
Ron Paul is not pro-liberty. He follows a system of beliefs that holds that it is morally superior to stand aside while your neighbors slaughter each other than to attempt to regulate that sort of thing.

Sorry ~ Liberalism, Libertarianism and Libertinism have no attraction at all for civilized people.

146 posted on 10/12/2011 12:25:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Huck

He has to somehow unchain himself from 999.

I don’t mean he has to drop it, but he has to make it less like the only way to vote for Cain is if you agree with 999.

That’s a LOSING proposition for Cain.

He’s supposed to be a well-rounded CANDIDATE, not a freaking TAX PACKAGE.


147 posted on 10/12/2011 12:27:41 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: TomGuy
How many people believe that we’ll keep the income tax at 9 percent? Anybody?

I thought Cain missed a huge opportunity with that one. He should have come back with "How many people love the current tax system? Anybody?" Then "How many people worry about getting audited by the IRS and having their life destroyed? Lots of people."

The fact that people are still wary about Cain's plan doesn't mean the like the current system.

148 posted on 10/12/2011 12:31:11 PM PDT by Brookhaven (999 Tax Calculator: http://goo.gl/AHsjH)
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To: samtheman

Cain IS 9-9-9. No way he can disconnect. And it’s toxic.


149 posted on 10/12/2011 12:32:08 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Cain needs to emphasize that his plan is the only one that fixes this problem:

What's the country going to be like when 55-60% of voters pay no income taxes, yet can vote themselves benefits. It will be like having the Occupy Wall Street crown in charge.


150 posted on 10/12/2011 12:37:52 PM PDT by Brookhaven (999 Tax Calculator: http://goo.gl/AHsjH)
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