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Why Gov. Rick Perry is Wrong about a Border Fence
Lodi News-Sentinel ^ | October 1, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/01/2011 6:25:08 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

Rick Perry can't get out of his own way. During the presidential debates, he has reviled three immigration issues that Republicans hold dear: passing mandatory E-Verify legislation, rejecting federal and state versions of the DREAM Act, and building a border fence.

About E-Verify, Perry foolishly claims that it would not make "a hill of beans" worth of difference. Regarding the DREAM Act, Perry said that those who disagree with his decision to enact it in 2001 "don't have a heart." As for the border fence, Perry insists that it is "idiocy" to build it.

The debates represented Perry's chance to moderate his immigration rhetoric, more in line with liberal Democrats than restrictionist Republicans, and reach out to skeptical conservatives. Instead, by performing his difficult-to-achieve hat trick, Perry has turned off most of the GOP and has dropped from the top of the candidates' list to also-ran status.

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KEYWORDS: heartless; mexicanromney; perry4illegals; perry4mexico; rinos4illegals; rinos4mexico; rinoswilllose; romney4illegals; romney4mexico
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1 posted on 10/01/2011 6:25:09 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Do you think Perry can win without Texas?

Before you huff, “Of course he’s going to win Texas” consider this: At one time California was Republican; then, using the same approach Perry espouses, CA veered sharply Left, all due to the overwhelming illegals corrupting the voting process at all levels.

Texas is headed the same way, it’s just 10 or 15 years behind.

SO, if Perry were sincere in his beliefs, he would announce and SHOW everyone how he too can win a presidential election without Texas.

Because, if Perry’s views win the day, Republicans will HAVE to win without Texas and California both.

Show us Perry, show us how it’s done.


2 posted on 10/01/2011 6:30:21 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle

It wasn’t just Hispanics and illegals turning CA left, it was the Hollyweird types and Flower Children. Texas doesn’t have much of the latter.

Had Perry run on a hardline platform he’d have never become governor in the first place.


3 posted on 10/01/2011 6:34:09 AM PDT by RockinRight (If everyone wants to ride in the wagon, then who is pulling it?)
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4 posted on 10/01/2011 6:35:19 AM PDT by bcsco (Take a Cain - and cure the Pain!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Perry, a rino after George Bush’s heart who was a globalist first and an American seconds.


5 posted on 10/01/2011 6:35:21 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservatism is on the rise, God bless the conservative tea party.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I have stood next to the border fence in California. True, a determined person or organization can get over it. But it’s an important symbol. It’s like the six foot ornamental fence surrounding your property. It makes a statement. “This is my property, stay off.” Will that keep off someone determined to cross your property? No. But it will keep off the other 99% who would otherwise cross. It’s a boundary and boundaries are important in relationships. If you allow someone to cross your boundaries they lose respect for you and then they begin to mistreat you. They begin to assume that what is yours can be theirs for the taking.

Incidentally, abused people have no boundaries. I have often thought that liberals have been subjected to great abuse and have no boundaries and they therefore think that nobody should have boundaries. Think about their attitudes on sex; essentially, nobody can say no without “offending.” Remember, “It wasn’t rape rape.”


6 posted on 10/01/2011 6:36:42 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

You made a fundamental error

Texas is not California

Go to Texas and check it out


7 posted on 10/01/2011 6:40:06 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Gen.Blather

You made a fundamental error

Texas is not California

Go to Texas and check it out


8 posted on 10/01/2011 6:40:06 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Gen.Blather

You made a fundamental error

Texas is not California

Go to Texas and check it out


9 posted on 10/01/2011 6:40:21 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Mr. Perry’s compassion ends where he believes Texas’ security concerns begin. He has never wavered in his desire to secure the 1,200-mile Texas-Mexico border with manpower, not “preposterous” fencing, or in his frustration with the federal government, which he believes has not adequately protected Texas from the drug violence raging across the Rio Grande.

In 2005, Mr. Perry announced a $10 million state program to increase border patrols and upgrade radio systems along the border. A year later, he unveiled plans to install hundreds of video cameras, creating a multimillion-dollar “virtual” wall that in its first four years proved overly ambitious, netting few arrests. Though Mr. Perry expressed support for improving guest-worker programs in 2003, when President George W. Bush pushed for it in 2005, the governor’s frustration with the federal government kept him from supporting it.

Meanwhile, Mr. Perry has remained at war with the Obama administration over his request in 2010 for 1,000 National Guard troops along the border; he got 250. In August, he asked the federal government to reimburse Texas $350 million, the estimated cost of imprisoning illegal immigrants in state lockups.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/us/09ttimmigration.html?_r=1&ref=borderfenceusmexico


10 posted on 10/01/2011 6:41:35 AM PDT by PLD
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To: BarnacleCenturion

If already he’s nothing but an “also ran”, why do you bother?

And the writers would be wasting everyone’s time.

Perry isn’t wrong about trying to build a 1200 mile fence along the Texas Mexico border. Just because some ill-informed say it, doesn’t make it so.

The Perry policy is that fencing makes sense in some urban areas where it can be closely monitored and quickly accessed by border patrol. It’s the continuous fence across hundreds of miles of no mans land he called nonsensical.

For that area he proposed other assets be used, including military and technical. And quick strike teams if and when needed.

Your little picture is something we don’t need to see in order to know it’s happening...we’re experts on the problem here in Texas. It’s the solutions and they start and end with the Federal Govenment that we need to focus on.

Whoever wrote this...who do they support for President? Do they support Sarah Palin whether she runs or not? I know, I have to chuckle at my own joke. But it’s not so funny, come to think...

Again, they say he’s no threat because he said what too many GOP didn’t want to hear. Yet they write an article about it and you post it.

I just saw where Cain endorsed Romney in 2008.

There’s your ticket...Romney Cain.

Oh joy.


11 posted on 10/01/2011 6:44:40 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: RockinRight

“It wasn’t just Hispanics and illegals turning CA left, it was the Hollyweird types and Flower Children. Texas doesn’t have much of the latter.

Had Perry run on a hardline platform he’d have never become governor in the first place.”

Nice try, but Perry didn’t RUN for governor, it was handed to him when Bush-43 became president. Since then he has NEVER been challenged from the right. Conservatives here in Texas have spend a DECADE having to hold our nose when we vote for governor (something I literally did the last time I voted).

WE ARE NOT IDIOTS. We know that Perry that Perry says what he says because he BELIEVES IT, which is fine. And if other here want OPEN BORDERS, then Perry’s the man.


12 posted on 10/01/2011 6:45:36 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The debates represented Perry's chance to moderate his immigration rhetoric, more in line with liberal Democrats than restrictionist Republicans, and reach out to skeptical conservatives.

In other words, the editorial says candidates should lie about their views for political gain. They must love Romney.

It also sloppily conflates in-state tuition (Perry for) with the federal DREAM act (Perry opposed).

I don't think he'll be the nominee; I don't think he was ready for the campaign nor do I think he's particularly passionate for it.

His consistency at the expense of his own campaign is admirable.

I expect Obama to be president until 2017. If somehow he loses, we'll get nibbling incrementalism from the GOP, not fundamental reforms. It'll be a delay of the inevitable, not a reverse course.

13 posted on 10/01/2011 6:48:13 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton; GOP will find a way to lose.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Perry on Border Security — THE TRUTH:

http://governor.state.tx.us/initiatives/border/

Governing Principle

There can be no homeland security without border security, and there can be no higher priority than protecting our citizens.

While our focus begins with preventing the worst of the violence currently raging in northern Mexico from spilling over into the United States, the violence is only part of the destruction that can result from a porous border. The free flow of drugs, weapons and people resulting from inadequate security can undercut economic development, education and trade. As such, they can hurt Texas families in every way imaginable, from loss of jobs to the loss of family members to addiction, imprisonment or death.

Border security is a federal responsibility but a Texas problem, and Texas has invested hundreds of millions of state dollars in efforts to support and supplement security forces already in place. Still, this is a problem that will only be solved with more federal accountability and involvement.

Highlights

» Starting in 2005 with Operation Linebacker, the state has sought to provide funding, manpower and equipment to local law enforcement agencies operating along the Texas-Mexico border.
» The state’s latest operation, Border Star, builds on the successes of previous operations with unprecedented local, state and federal law enforcement coordination. With the assistance of the 80th and 81st Legislatures, the State of Texas has been able to appropriate more than $110 million each session to fund and amplify these efforts.
» In response to a rising tide of gang violence in Texas communities, the Governor allocated $4 million in criminal justice grants to cities across the state to increase patrols of gang hotspots. In 2009, Gov. Perry worked to secure more than $10 million in state funding for enhanced anti-gang efforts during the 2010-11 biennium.
» In September 2009, Gov. Perry announced the formation of highly-skilled Ranger Recon Teams — which include Texas Rangers, Texas National Guard Counterdrug forces, Highway Patrol and DPS Aviation assets — in order to address threats building in the unincorporated areas along the Texas-Mexico border.
» Since early 2009, Gov. Perry has repeatedly called on Washington to authorize the deployment of 1,000 Title 32 National Guard soldiers to the Texas-Mexico border to support border security operations currently underway. (see letter to President Obama, letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and request to Defense Secretary Gates)
» Gov. Perry has also recommended an expeditious deployment of unmanned aerial vehicles to provide real-time surveillance and intelligence to law enforcement on the ground.


14 posted on 10/01/2011 6:50:02 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: bert

“You made a fundamental error
Texas is not California
Go to Texas and check it out”

Maybe the other guy made an error, but I have lived over a decade in EACH STATE, and California was a really nice state (overall) when I got out 20 years ago. Sure they had a lot of illegals, but they had nice lawns and manicured freeways. It was very nice. Of course people said that illegals were taking over (including my secretary) but I just laughed and said, but look what we get in return (and obviously much more than landscaping).

Man did I learn a lot in 20 years. In California, once the illegals started voting (which they do in huge numbers now), it was over. The year was 1996, and they were polarized and then organized to vote (by the Dems) by Proposition 187, and the state as I knew it ended that day.

The idea that “it can’t happen here” led to 7 million Jewish deaths in World War 2...we need to GET OVER IT.


15 posted on 10/01/2011 6:52:37 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Gen.Blather

“Good fences make good neighbors”


16 posted on 10/01/2011 6:54:38 AM PDT by mo
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To: mo
“Good fences make good neighbors”

It works with Canada. :-)

I have no problem with a fence, but I would also want to see prison terms and fines for employers who knowingly higher illegals.

17 posted on 10/01/2011 7:00:12 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; All
It was the Bay Area's influence and rise of Latinos in Los Angeles, reacting to the Prop 187 hard-line on immigration that doomed Republicans in CA.

Perry's approach is less ham-fisted, smarter politics. Just think, if people here are upset over the "heartless" comment, how do Hispanic's react to the equivalent coming the other way? The backdrop will always be Democrats add fuel to the fire, but it's ineffective if Republicans don't self-immolate as happened in CA.

At least you admit if Republicans lose Texas it's over. A law-and-order approach is fine, it's fair, it's right. You cannot, however, allow that policy to be hijacked by radical nativists and even outright bigots because your thoughtful position will be drowned out and subsumed into the other, conflated by the media into one message, one extreme viewpoint even though you are not with those destructive elements, you will be made to defend them thanks to willing Democrats, division hustling activists and a media interested in ridiculous comparisons.

18 posted on 10/01/2011 7:07:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton; GOP will find a way to lose.)
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To: BobL

Sorry to be stupid.. but what was Prop 187?
I have an idea, but am interested in what it was..


19 posted on 10/01/2011 7:18:01 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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You think this federal fence will keep illegals out? What a complete joke.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 7:19:03 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Flag_This

If you fix things we will no longer need life long politicians to unsolve all our problems for us.


21 posted on 10/01/2011 7:19:32 AM PDT by Leep
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To: Gen.Blather

Round up a few million illegals and set them to building a fence.


22 posted on 10/01/2011 7:19:44 AM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Guzzardi mentions the Israeli fence. When the fence was first proposed (something I thought the Israelis should have built twenty years before), the critics, usual leftist suspects, said it wouldn't work to deter suicide bombers. Suicide bombing dropped precipitously after the fence was built.

Without a doubt, determined illegals could still get into this country. But with a big enough fence, it would be a lot harder.

23 posted on 10/01/2011 7:22:17 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I have said this before in another couple of threads, and the fence crowd ignored it.

So, you want a fence, eh? We have one here. It is called 18 to 100 miles of sea water between the UK and Europe. A slightly more effective barrier than a poxy 30 foot fence, right? We still get between 600k and 1 million illegals coming in per year.
Italy has 50 to 200 miles of sea as their fence - they get the same sort of infulx - every year.
Don’t talk crap about fences. Boots on the ground!


24 posted on 10/01/2011 7:27:46 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Bikkuri

“Sorry to be stupid.. but what was Prop 187?
I have an idea, but am interested in what it was..”

Here you go...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_%281994%29

The courts basically invalidated it.


25 posted on 10/01/2011 7:37:03 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: EnglishCon

Worked pretty damned well for China and (unfortunately) East Germany. Or are you denying historical fact? The San Diego fence GREATLY reduced crossings there as well. The Israeli fence reduced terrorism significantly.
The green zone in Iraq? Go back to the WW2 era and look at the barbed wire and ‘fencing’ on battlefields. Can you think of a reason it was there in use? There are a million legit reasons to build a fence and NONE to not do it.

Fences have worked since their creation and just because Rick Perry is AGAINST THEM that has no bearing on their historic effectiveness.

Two words: “Force multiplier”

Foolproof? No. So build it and back it up with patrols, cameras, GP Sonar, Predators etc. But a secure fence is absolutely a cornerstone of securing our border.


26 posted on 10/01/2011 7:42:40 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: BobL

Thank you very much :)
Guess I was too lazy to Scroogle it :p
Much appreciated ;^)


27 posted on 10/01/2011 7:43:00 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: BobL

Wow..
The first paragraph tell a lot.. I can see why the voters (at the time) wanted to get rid of Davis (besides the economy, at the time)...

ok.. am continuing to read it..


28 posted on 10/01/2011 7:45:36 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Does anyone remember the video of Pres. Bush at the border with illegals scrambling over a high fence in the background?

If we don’t want illegal immigration, then we have to cut off the jobs offered by employers.

If employers need the workers, then we have to have a well-regulated guest worker program. Look up the Bracero program that worked suceesfully from WWII until the Kennedy administration repealed it to pay off the unions.


29 posted on 10/01/2011 7:48:42 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Perry needs to talk with officials of Alabama. They passed a strong immigration bill which has withstood scrutiny of the Alabama state Supreme Court.

Heard on the radio yesterday that illegals are vacating the schools & rentals “in droves”. They also must prove citizenship to get ANY kind of state aid & must prove ability to pay for any medical treatment.

Take away the jobs- freebees & they will leave.

Now, if all the other 49 states would pass the same rules, the country could start getting back on it’s own feet & quit supporting intruders.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 7:49:10 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: txrangerette
..we’re experts on the problem here in Texas.

I am sure you'll agree that while we would all love a 30ft high, impenetrable fence along our southern border, people forget about the river. The fed gov doesn't own the land along the banks of the river -- private citizens do. And they have water rights to it, and I assume they use that water for their livestock, etc.

If we were to build a fence along the US side of the river, it would require the biggest eminent domain land grab in the history of this country.

The wall works in Israel because there is a military infrastructure stationed there to monitor and enforce it. Until our country regards our border as a national security weakness and sets up troops to defend it, the wall , or the lack of a wall, is irrelevant.

31 posted on 10/01/2011 7:51:39 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: EnglishCon

Bingo. Fence is probably third on the list of effective border control. No against it, but eliminating the incentives that attract the citizens of other countries to come here illegaly, and diplomatically insisting that other countries discourage their citizens and otms from crossing borders illegally (our borders are the others countries’ borders too) are even more important than a fence.


32 posted on 10/01/2011 7:53:23 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Balding_Eagle

Very true. Texas was where California was in 1970, but it will take far less time for it to implode because the trickle of illegal immigrants has become a flood.


33 posted on 10/01/2011 7:53:23 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: txrangerette

Wow one of only afew common-sense responses. I wonder why folks can’t understand that when Perry says, “A fence without observation isn’t an impediment”. Folks seem bound and determioned to give Romney the nod, then they’ll scream that we have a true RINO as our only choice. Perry’s not my top pick, but I think it’s stupid to trash him unless we have a super candidate sitting at the top; until then we need to keep all potential contenders available until we are sure Romney won’t be the “one”.


34 posted on 10/01/2011 7:56:12 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Worked pretty damned well for China and (unfortunately) East Germany. Or are you denying historical fact? The San Diego fence GREATLY reduced crossings there as well. The Israeli fence reduced terrorism significantly.

Only when manned with troops with orders to shoot to kill.

35 posted on 10/01/2011 8:02:02 AM PDT by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: newzjunkey
Perry takes care of his mega-contributors in the construction and poultry processing industries who maximize their profits by using illegal alien labor.

That's why Rick Perry wants an open border, a welcoming atmosphere for illegals and opposes e-verify.

Rick Perry is for sale. He always has been and always will be. He's a cross between Joe Isuzu and Elmer Gantry.

36 posted on 10/01/2011 8:02:49 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Riodacat

I’m totally for that.


37 posted on 10/01/2011 8:05:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: bert

California wasn’t today’s California in 1970. Ronald Reagan was governor and George Murphy was in the Senate. Illegals destroyed the state - from ruining its public schools to bankrupting hospitals.

Texas is on the same collision course, but Texans are simply too arrogant to realize it.

Go Lions!!!


38 posted on 10/01/2011 8:08:28 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: shield
Yeah, history shows that border fences never keep unwanted foreigners out of your country because:

- it's too hard to build them in remote places
- people will just climb over or dig under them
- We've tried it already and it didn't work:


39 posted on 10/01/2011 8:13:20 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
It just occurred to me, why Perry takes his position on immigration that he does. He was Texas Agriculture Commissioner. He's a rancher/farmer.

He wants illegals in Texas for the agriculture industry as cheap labor.

Perry simply doesn't realize that he's running for President of the United States and needs to do what's best for the entire US, not the parochial interests of Texas agriculture.

The Federal Government has been about destroying this country with its polices for several decades.

Allowing rampant illegal immigration is one way to destroy it. Obama's the fast track, while Bush/McCain were destroying the country at a slower pace.

Fortunately for American and unfortunately for Perry, allowing illegal immigration is a deal-breaker for a majority of GOP voters. Destroying the country through illegal immigration or destroying the country through Statism of the Obamaniac variety is still destroying the country.

Perry's going down, unless he turns around on this issue.

40 posted on 10/01/2011 8:21:08 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: EnglishCon

Water isn’t a fence, it’s a highway. Think Dunkirk.


41 posted on 10/01/2011 8:31:21 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Gen.Blather
"I have stood next to the border fence in California."

You will never "stand next" to a fence in Texas. The entire 1200 mile long border is the Rio Grand River. Where would you propose putting the fence?

42 posted on 10/01/2011 9:02:50 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

He’s partly right, for the wrong reason. A fence is not effective enough; we need a WALL! And landmines, and troops and guntowers!


43 posted on 10/01/2011 9:12:39 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Gen.Blather
If you allow someone to cross your boundaries without permission they lose respect for you and then they begin to mistreat you. They begin to assume that what is yours can be theirs for the taking.

A small edit, for clarity.

44 posted on 10/01/2011 9:16:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: norwaypinesavage
I supported a full fence on the Tex-Mex border for years. Having serious second thoughts after listening to the rationale offered by some Texans on FR. There are some places where a fence or wall would work, but its probably not realistic to expect a barrier running the entire border. Aside from the big issue of private property rights how would you build a fence without infringing on the water rights of the US and Mexico when it comes to the Rio Grande river.

Gov Perry's call for strategic fencing in urban/metro ares, boots on the ground and the best high tech surveillance hardware money can buy sounds like the better solution.

45 posted on 10/01/2011 9:17:11 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: norwaypinesavage
The entire 1200 mile long border is the Rio Grand River. Where would you propose putting the fence?

Right down the middle.

46 posted on 10/01/2011 9:25:44 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Riodacat

As a heartless American, yeah, shoot to kill.

How much more can I be denigrated by those who claim to be on my side?


47 posted on 10/01/2011 1:47:33 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

bump.


48 posted on 10/01/2011 1:59:03 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Gov. Perry wants drones (works petty well in the Middle East) and in Israel (where Perry has gone to observe how they do it), boots on the ground and fencing where it works (in urban areas). Janet Napolatano wants drones to patrol our border with Canada — but not Mexico — why is that?? Hmmmm.... too good a political tool?

A 2000 mile long fence over terrain where it is not conducive to building a fence (like on a river) — the proposal of hiding behind a 25 foot wall for 2000 miles with razor wire and gun towers — this tells the world that the U.S. has failed.

Those who push for it don’t know what they’re talking about and if they do and continue to push for it because they think it’s a good political talking point are only causing harm. And by doing so show their low character.

Mexico is the number one trading partner with the U.S. They are not trying to drive us into the sea or refuse to recognize us as a country.

This has been a nice diversion from the issues but that’s what posts like yours are meant to do. You posted it to counter effective dissemination of information.

Rick Perry wants the border sealed. The Federal government won’t — Texas is spending hundreds of millions of dollars and sending Texas Rangers to patrol the 1250 border miles we share with Mexico. He’s the only primary candidate that understands this and wants to do something about it. He’s the only one credible on this issue.


49 posted on 10/01/2011 2:19:46 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BobL
Rick Perry: September 15, 2011 - " The bigger issue is that you’re never going to have a conversation that is anything more than an intellectual exercise about immigration until you secure the border. That is what we must focus on as a country. I do not agree that building a 1,800-mile barrier is thoughtful. It’s an easy answer. I think it’s a cop out for anyone who’s actually been on the border. It’s like building a wall from Bangor, Maine to Miami, Florida. What does work is strategic fencing in your metropolitan areas, having the boots on the ground. We are woefully understaffed on that border.

We have the technology. Predator drones are being flown in United States air space as we speak. Why not fly those from Brownsville, Texas, to El Paso and to Tijuana and back and use that real-time information for local law enforcement, our state law enforcement and our federal counterparts? That’s how you thoughtfully secure that border, and then you can have a discussion about what type of immigration reform we want to consider as a country. But not until then. Too many times, we’ve been told, if we’ll just pass this immigration reform then we’ll secure the border. And it hasn’t happened...."

50 posted on 10/01/2011 2:20:54 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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