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More evidence warmists wrong
American Thinker ^ | September 21, 2011 | Timothy Birdnow

Posted on 09/21/2011 4:13:42 PM PDT by neverdem

The IPCC and other warmist promoters have dismissed the role of the sun as negligible based on calculations of total solar irradiance (TSI). The claim is that the increase in TSI during the latter part of the 20th century (coinciding with the Grand Solar Maximum, a period of very active sunspots and magnetic effects) could only drive a small amount of the measured warming of the Earth. Since current theory offers no alternative explanation, carbon dioxide emissions are blamed as the culprit.

But our understanding of the sun is growing by leaps and bounds, and we are learning many things about solar activity that we never knew before. Experiments at CERN have shown that a dearth of solar wind, those charged particles emitted from the sun, allows cosmic rays to reach the Earth and drives the formation of clouds which act to reflect more sunlight back into space. We now know that the sun's magnetic field is far more intimately involved with the Earth's than anyone had thought.

And now we know that solar flare aftershocks occur -- and those aftershocks are accompanied by high levels of Ultraviolet radiation.

According to this release from NASA:

"NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO), launched in February 2010, made the finding: About 1 in 7 flares experience an "aftershock." About ninety minutes after the flare dies down, it springs to life again, producing an extra surge of extreme ultraviolet radiation.

"We call it the 'late phase flare,'" says Woods. "The energy in the late phase can exceed the energy of the primary flare by as much as a factor of four."

What causes the late phase? Solar flares happen when the magnetic fields of sunspots erupt-a process called "magnetic reconnection." The late phase is thought to result when some of the sunspot's magnetic...

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1 posted on 09/21/2011 4:13:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Experiments at CERN have shown that a dearth of solar wind, those charged particles emitted from the sun, allows cosmic rays to reach the Earth and drives the formation of clouds which act to reflect more sunlight back into space."

This has got to be driving the warmist psuedo-scientists bonkers!

2 posted on 09/21/2011 4:18:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Socialism: The Ship of Fools, as has always been.)
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To: neverdem

3 posted on 09/21/2011 4:21:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: neverdem

So of course, it is to puzzle if these super hot shots of ultraviolet light that come from dying solar flares are somehow involved in heating the lower atmosphere too. I suppose they could, as the heated upper atmosphere generates infrared radiation which would warm the surface of the earth as well as lower layers of the atmosphere.


4 posted on 09/21/2011 4:22:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: A Navy Vet

This would be something easy to check out empirically, as there are detailed records of cosmic ray influx and cloud cover now. More cosmic rays leading to more cloud cover would show how solar flares could impact the weather.


5 posted on 09/21/2011 4:24:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: A Navy Vet

Apparently the sea level has dropped the last couple of years.

That would seem to mean one thing. The ice build up in Antarctica has to be increasing, not decreasing.

And if this trend continues, watch out... The sea has been rising at a pretty consistent rate for hundreds of years if that changes it really does mean global cooling.


6 posted on 09/21/2011 4:30:45 PM PDT by DB
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To: neverdem

The AGW/IPCC scammers not only ignored this type of information they “COOKED THE BOOKS” to make the industrial gas CO2 appear as the main culprit for political reasons so they could take your money. Much like the socialist democrat party the AGW/IPCC hoax has collasped faster than al gore can side step a debate since the release of the emails.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 4:30:45 PM PDT by spawn44 (spawn44)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It has and there’s strong correlation.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 4:34:45 PM PDT by DB
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To: neverdem

“The IPCC and other warmist promoters have dismissed the role of the sun as negligible”

..... You just cannot make this stuff up! LOL.


9 posted on 09/21/2011 4:43:01 PM PDT by Senator John Blutarski
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping


10 posted on 09/21/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader; golux; tubebender; Genesis defender; 4horses+amule; Carlucci; Little Bill; ...
Thanx for the ping Fractal Trader !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

11 posted on 09/21/2011 5:08:39 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
UV Light transfers heat to the upper atmosphere and increases winds in the upper atmosphere (movement). Basically an energy transfer. A new study states that during the last solar cycle UV light varied by 6 % from max to min. And during the last minimum the UV light output was significantly lower then during the previous minimum. That new info means the ozone hole CFC ban was based on very bad science.

UV low during recent solar minimum

Now the sun is fairly active right now, similar to its above average activity level earlier in the year, but it is too little and too late to help this winter.

12 posted on 09/21/2011 5:58:54 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Does it warm things further down in the atmosphere, is the question. Cf. the classic demonstration of playing the flame of a torch upon the top of a sink full of water, with a hand or thermometer held just below the surface showing no effect from the hot flame.


13 posted on 09/21/2011 6:06:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Energy is not just a temperature metric. It is also a pressure metric. Increased winds and temperatures in the upper atmosphere must increase pressures in the lower atmosphere. And decreased winds and temperatures in the upper atmosphere, must decrease pressures in the lower atmosphere. That is probably one of the ignored parameters that caused the Hurricane Computer Models to incorrectly forecast Irene to ramp up to Cat 4 before US landfall. Pressures down here need to be biased by pressures up above.

At any rate, UV-A penetrates rather deeply into the lower atmosphere.

14 posted on 09/21/2011 6:21:00 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

The forecasts involving Irene didn’t read prevailing barometric pressures into the predictions? That is poor weather forecasting no matter what the ultimate reason for the barometric pressures.

The direction of the winds surely makes a difference as well. Transverse winds create reduced pressures due to the Bernoulli effect. Cf. the classic demonstration with water running from a faucet and a ping pong ball held on a string. The ping pong ball will seem to cling to the stream of water.


15 posted on 09/21/2011 6:32:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Actually the pressure inside the hurricane is not absolute. It is relative and should be biased with the pressure of the upper overlying atmosphere (not an easy metric to acquire). We now know that pressure varies with the solar cycle. So they were reading a lower absolute pressure then the actual relative pressure was, thus it was no Cat 4 when compared to other historical norms. Heck it barely even rated a Cat 1 upon landfall and even that is in dispute.


16 posted on 09/21/2011 8:22:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I don’t think the environmental movement is based on science, but politcal opportunism and control. In the case of CFCs you had the inherent destructiveness of the Green movement combined with a profit motive. Of course government had to act.


17 posted on 09/22/2011 2:06:40 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: A Navy Vet

Human beings are a far greater threat to each other financially (reckless spending and bankruptcy) than by virtue of the climate change. Take a look at the change in climate and compare that to the financial meltdown. The time scale, magnitude, and so on are pretty clear and in contrast to each other.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 6:46:45 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: 1010RD
The NASA employee I was debating about 18 years ago on the Internet Newsgroups, was using science. In the debate I brought up quite a few points that questioned the underlying scientific assumptions. The NASA employee eventually relented and basically stated that even if he was wrong, he would feel good about doing something about the problem. So yes, even when the science is proven wrong, these government paid scientist will still keep up the fight. We are seeing that now with respect to the AGW issue. The warmist have completely lost the debate. We are at the point where their new theories are so convoluted , that they only generate laughter. Yet, they still hold fast.
19 posted on 09/22/2011 5:45:57 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
"The NASA employee eventually relented and basically stated that even if he was wrong, he would feel good about doing something about the problem."

Wow. I never saw anybody relent on an internet newsgroup. LOL!

20 posted on 09/22/2011 5:53:37 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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