Posted on 09/15/2011 7:22:32 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus
A quick video illustrating the different parts of Dr. Andrea Rossi’s 1MW plant where he will demonstrating the much-publicized Energy Catalyzer device that is based on low energy nuclear reactions (LENR).
Can I guess?
I'm guessing he has a steam pipe or some other external source of energy coming up underneath that cargo container.
I hope it is true, if not the guy has spent a lot of time and effort to fool people for no gain. He isn’t seeking investors.
According to Kevmo, he already has 400 million euros in sucker money.
Sure, I’m OK with that.
I’m not saying it is fake, but if i were going to fake a cold fusion power plant, it would end up looking like that.
From what I read, the heat that this thing generates, although valuable indeed, is not hot enough to efficiently generate electric power.
Efficiency in the conversion of heat into mechanical energy goes up as the delta T goes up. Oil, coal, gas fired, or nuclear provide super-heated steam. With that, they get efficiencies of 40% or more. At only 300 or 400 degrees, you would be lucky to get 4 or 5%.
That doesn’t make it useless (it would be great for heating, and maybe even cooling). That said, if it works it’s still worth gazillions, it’s just not going to power your car or your house unless they can get the temperature up.
It comes down too what that 5% costs to produce.
If the energy is cheap enough, you can afford to throwaway a good portion of it.
Don’t Stirling engines do better than 5%?
I need an “o” back...
The safest guess is 1.
You got it on your first try? That’s amazing.
“Don’t Stirling engines do better than 5%?”
They can if the temperature of the heat source is high enough. They can do much better... However it suffers in the same way that Rankine cycle heat engines do at low temperatures.
Read about geothermal power plants and their problems and you will get an idea of what is involved. (their temperatures are also relativity low)
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The test module only produced by rough estimate less than 4 kw so I can’t see a couple of hundred units packed into this storage container.
That is interesting to me because it implicates Essen and Kulander a little more in this E-cat saga. On the one hand I'm frustrated at the lack of clear proof this thing works (like everyone else); on the other hand any fraud/conspiracy theories I come up with are heavily dependent on the number of conspirators being very small.
There's also the issue of rapid on-the-fly design changes such as this size upgrade. I would have anticipated that scammers would have laid their whole plan out in the beginning and would keep it simple where possible to minimize risk of a mistake exposing their scheme. Whereas abrupt changes in design are what I would expect with a brand new technology where even the inventor is on the steep part of the learning curve. Very interesting.
Yes, if they ever unplug the whole thing from the electric supply.
He claims each module can produce 27 Kw but has any been tested an produced that?
Some very smart people were fooled by the Piltdown Man skull fragments because they really wanted to believe, so much so they couldn't see the file marks on the pig's teeth and afterward wondered why.
exactly!
afaik - it stays plugged in.
The difference I see is that those file marks were pointed out very early after the discovery and were evident all along. Many people are assuming the e-cat is a fraud, which is easy to assume but harder to demonstrate.
If it is a fraud, how is the 18 hour test earlier this year to be explained? How is it that quite a few physicists of good reputation (Drs. Stremnenos, Focardi, Essen and Kullander off the top of my head) are on board with it and will see their reputations ruined if it doesn’t pan out? What about the increasing number of competitive firms (Brillioun, Dr. Piantelli’s new company, and another startup in the US the other day) that are popping up based on similar technology in what looks like the start of a gold-rush type environment? The naysaying crowd here and on other forums has been extremely lazy in failing to address these sorts of data points.
I’m not saying this data proves the e-cat is real either. I’m just saying that the true story will need to explain all the evidence.
If the thing is not “cold fusion” and Rossi states what he thinks it is he should be able to explain the basis for his claim. At one point he furnished his nickel powder, pure before use and containing copper and iron after use.
How nickel is changed to copper and iron without fusion is not clear.
If it is not fusion what role does the hydrogen except as donor?
As I said, they've shown what is by their own description, a 15-16 ton steam generator. And even that has not been shown to live up to it's hype.
“If it is a fraud, how is the 18 hour test earlier this year to be explained?”
The ones conducting the 18 hour test haven't explained it.
Yes, there should be gamma radiation, no there shouldn't, the test is not repeatable because no but Rossi knows what is in the secret catalysts, yes, if it produces copper from nickel then it sounds like “fusion” or maybe not.
Are the reaction chambers lead shieded? If so, for what reason if no radiation is released. Would one of the ingredients in the secret catalysts be copper? Who knows? It's a secret so no one can replicate the tests.
” How is it that quite a few physicists of good reputation (Drs. Stremnenos, Focardi, Essen and Kullander off the top of my head) are on board with it and will see their reputations ruined if it doesn’t pan out?”
We always had doubts and never fully endorsed the concept since we never knew what the secret ingredients were, here is our internal correspondence expressing reservations...
That's how. But having the 1 Mw unit it will be possible to plug it in, hook up the water line and let some truly independent researcher look at it.
The hydrogen fuel ports are right next to the heater elements. Loose wiring, soft piping, nothing in conduit. No fire suppression, ventilation fans, combustible gas detectors, etc, etc, etc visible. I wonder where the electrical power handling and machine control box is located, inside the box?!
Doesn't look kosher to me. I wouldn't want to be within half a mile of it.
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