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Rick Perry's pro-immigration Texas base
POLITICO ^ | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 09/04/2011 9:54:52 PM PDT by Tempest

POLITICO's Ken Vogel passes along an email sent by Perry contributor Norman Adams that contained a separate email from Steve Hotze, also a Perry bundler based in Texas. Both emails make donor solicitations that underscore Perry's position helping to kill a bill similar to the Arizona immigration legislation, for instance.

The upshot is that these are not necessarily positions that either primary and caucus voters know about Perry, or that will sit well with them.

As I noted in another post, it's not clear that immigration is the driver of voter interests in presidential primaries that some believe it to be. But it will be interesting to see how Perry tries to keep both his donor base of Texas businessmen, who tend to favor the immigrants who aid the state's economy, and voters happy.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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Both emails make donor solicitations that underscore Perry's position helping to kill a bill similar to the Arizona immigration legislation,
1 posted on 09/04/2011 9:54:55 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: South40

2 posted on 09/04/2011 9:57:09 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: Tempest

I guess Perry’s lead has gotten bigger.


3 posted on 09/04/2011 10:02:45 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Tempest

The article says it is uncertain that immigration issues are of importance to voters. Its an issue that it of importance to mosy voters but an issue untouched by candidates of both parties. The GOP especially will not touch the issue and you can bet Perry apologists on FR will dismiss the issie as unimportant.

Perry supporters of course are welcome to prove me wrong.


4 posted on 09/04/2011 10:03:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Tempest

The article says it is uncertain that immigration issues are of importance to voters. Its an issue that it of importance to most voters but an issue untouched by candidates of both parties. The GOP especially will not touch the issue and you can bet Perry apologists on FR will dismiss the issie as unimportant.

Perry supporters of course are welcome to prove me wrong.


5 posted on 09/04/2011 10:05:48 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Tempest
Pilgrim's Pride Poultry also contributed $750k to Perry, but I am sure a poultry processor would NEVER employ illegal immigrants.
6 posted on 09/04/2011 10:09:04 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Patrick1
I'm conservative, and I wouldn't vote for that RINO Perry if he was the only candidate we had.
He position on ILLEGAL Immigration is intolerable!
I wonder if his maid, gardener, cook, chafer, and personal assistant, all are ILLEGALS.
How anyone who isn't using ILLEGALS as slaves, could vote for such a phony conservative, is beyond me!
7 posted on 09/04/2011 10:11:07 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Tempest
Boy are you scared troll.

Posting another Axelrod hit piece from the Obama drones at Leftico a certified Obama propaganda outlet!

Whats next Perry hater , a NY Slimes perry hit piece.

Watching you Obama Obot trolls freak out and still try to peddle the concerned poster scan has been a real laugh.

8 posted on 09/04/2011 10:13:12 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Yosemitest
Gee playing the Class envy card here just like the leftists do ?

Ya , your just another concerned troll too.

9 posted on 09/04/2011 10:14:55 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Tempest

Oh, for pete’s sakes...this article is from Politico...need one say more about there being any truth in it?


10 posted on 09/04/2011 10:18:05 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Tempest

Currently, this is how the Hopefuls rate on immigration policy (from worst to mediocre best):

F-minus: Barack Obama
F: Ron Paul
F: Gary Johnson
F: Rick Santorum
D-minus: Newt Gingrich
D-minus: Jon Huntsman
D-minus: Rick Perry
D: Sarah Palin (not a candidate)
D: Mitt Romney
C-minus: Herman Cain
C+: Tim Pawlenty (quit race)
B-minus: Michele Bachmann

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/july-28-2011/rick-perry-gets-d-minus-immigration-middle-bad-gop-pack.html


11 posted on 09/04/2011 10:19:28 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Yosemitest

Then you are voting for Obama?


12 posted on 09/04/2011 10:22:47 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ncalburt

Hell no! I’m tired of RINOs.
NO MORE RINOs.
I’m not buying the establishment’s divider.


13 posted on 09/04/2011 10:29:47 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Patrick1

Obama ought to be in office when all his crap comes home to roost.
But, no, I’m not voting for Obama.
If Perry;’s my only choice, I just won’t vote.


14 posted on 09/04/2011 10:31:24 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Patrick1
BS, the man has the option of staying home, which I will do and encourage others to do before I would vote Perry. Just why in the world do you think you can force someone to vote for an amnesty supporter. Did not work for mccain and will not work for open borders Perry, and you know it.
15 posted on 09/04/2011 10:32:04 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Liz

Psst!


16 posted on 09/04/2011 10:33:19 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: SoConPubbie; DrewsMum

PING!


17 posted on 09/04/2011 10:38:34 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: ncalburt; Tempest
Boy are you scared troll.

Tempest,

Don't pay any attention to ncalburt, he is always off his meds and comes off as a Hair-On-Fire Party over Principle poster all the time.

If it is moderate and has an R next to it's name, ncalburt is in full support mode.

If it's a true conservative, not so much.
18 posted on 09/04/2011 10:39:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Yosemitest
DITTO
Folks, this is the primary season.

Is there any chance at all that Republicans will nominate a Republican, as our candidate for POTUS?

If not, I vote we Republicans all go Gault sooner, rather than later.

19 posted on 09/04/2011 10:46:23 PM PDT by sarasmom ( A Fine is a Tax for doing wrong. A Tax is a Fine for doing well.)
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To: Tempest

I put as much stock in a “Politico” article as I would a NY Times article by Lindsey Lohan on “How to be a Good Role Model”.


20 posted on 09/04/2011 10:49:35 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: Tempest; All

I’m not saying that there aren’t folks in all 50 States who care about the Immigration issue, but the people who care most about this issue are in the border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. No Pubbie will carry CA anyhow and any Republican will carry the other 3 states regardless.


21 posted on 09/04/2011 10:57:55 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: Tempest

Are you saying there is someone still alive that doesn’t know Perry opposed an Arizona-type law for Texas? After he said so repeatedly and publicly? After it was argued and discussed for days and weeks?

That is truly hilarious. Let’s not PRETEND that we haven’t discussed this for the past week ad nauseum, so we can pretend that Perry was trying to HIDE his opposition to a texas version of the law from people. Let’s IGNORE his public statements, and say he is trying to be sneaky.

Hint: If you are going to smear a candidate by claiming he is hiding something, you should do that FIRST, and then LATER start publishing his public pronouncements about the subject. Doing it the other way just makes you look crazy.


22 posted on 09/04/2011 11:23:57 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ncalburt; Tempest; Yosemitest; All

I don’t get how someone who has only been here since 2008 gets off calling two people who have been FReepers since 1999 trolls?


23 posted on 09/04/2011 11:48:42 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: bwc2221

Perry will not be the nominee. His candidacy has more holes than a ten-gallon hat slice of swiss cheese. It’s just a matter of time before the Tea Party casts its solemn gaze on his tenure in Texas and coughs up a furball.


24 posted on 09/04/2011 11:49:14 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: ncalburt

Using Obama as an emotional ploy to hide the pro-illegal immigrant money that may be making it to Rick Perry reminds me of the good old days.

I used to defend Dick Nixon from the liberal media back in the 1970’s. The anger I felt towards the liberals and Democrats for going after Nixon was palpable and real.

But Mr. Nixon was guilty of covering up for his people who broke into the DNC offices at the Watergate.

The liberal media was bad and out to get Nixon, but Nixon was a crook.

Lets get all the facts on the table.

Obama is bad and evil and a politician who takes money from special interests and pays them back.

Does Rick Perry fit that description, too ????????


25 posted on 09/04/2011 11:50:07 PM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Tempest
Both emails make donor solicitations that underscore Perry's position helping to kill a bill similar to the Arizona immigration legislation, for instance.

Here is the entire text of the 2nd e-mail, as given by the article. Could someone tell me what part had anything to do with immigration? I highlighted the part the left-wing Politico said was "problematic", but it looks like religion, not immigration:

Dear Norman,

Thank you so much for your investment of $5,000 in Governor Rick Perry's campaign for President and your help getting others to do the same.

You have taken advantage of a great opportunity to restore our nation and return it to its Constitutional foundation.

Because of your support and the other members of our team, we raised over $205,000 in investments for the Perry for President campaign. We were second in the greater Houston area and third in the state.


We are involved in a life and death struggle with the dark forces of socialism and Marxism.


Under the leadership of Rick Perry, free enterprise will once again flourish and conservative and Christian values will be revived.

With God’s help and your support I am confident that we shall be victorious in our efforts!

With much appreciation for your friendship and support, I remain, as always,

Sincerely yours,

Steven F. Hotze, M.D.
President
Conservative Republicans of Texas

Are we supposed to object to turning back Marxism now? I don't get it. Where is the immigration issue mentioned?
26 posted on 09/04/2011 11:52:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: gleeaikin

Maybe those folks got on in 1999 because Karl Rove or someone else wanted them to help promote the “compassionate conservative” candidate who gave us Medicare Part D and TARP.

Now they may be in the tank for Perry.

I admit that could be wrong, but we need to understand that in big time politics, all stops are pulled out and all means used to push and promote candidates.

That includes trolling into websites like FR.

The Perry onslaught for the last month on this site has been something to behold.


27 posted on 09/04/2011 11:56:11 PM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Conservative Republicans of Texas” sounds like a nice title, but what does it really mean??????

An emotional fundraising letter designed to manipulate cash out of well-meaning conservative people to support causes or candidates that might not be so conservative.

Until 2009 Rick Perry spoke one way, then all of the sudden when the Tea Party came along, he started speaking a different way.

It has a Romneyesque look to it.


28 posted on 09/05/2011 12:00:11 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Patrick1

Here in PA a RINO state senator who voted to raise his own pay sixteen percent and voted to raise taxes ran for Congress.

His campaign ads were all about Nancy Pelosi.

Is that all you can do to promote Perry, use Obama as an emotional wedge to get us to vote for someone who looks a lot like RINO Romney, a flip flopper.


29 posted on 09/05/2011 12:03:56 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m so over the Perrybot I’m just poking at there cage with a stick at this pint.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 12:10:17 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: Patrick1
I guess Perry’s lead has gotten bigger.

Amongst ACORN Recruiters and illegal immigrant, it's huge.

31 posted on 09/05/2011 12:11:44 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

When I’m not listening to Perry supporters flip out around here. I can also go to Daily Kos and DU to hear their insight....


32 posted on 09/05/2011 12:13:45 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The guy who wrote this letter was singing a different tune in 2008 regarding the pre-2009 Rick Perry.

Not only has Perry switched sides, the guy writing the fundraising letter has....

http://www.conservativerepublicansoftexas.com/0/956011/0/20033/


33 posted on 09/05/2011 12:15:17 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Nextrush

Interesting. Not only did the guy’s fundraising e-mail NOT mention immigration, but the guy is solidly anti-illegal-immigrant, and so would NEVER have written a fundraising article praising Perry for a pro-illegal-immigration position.

Further, you can infer by his 2007 letter you linked to that, if he still thought Perry was pro-illegal, he would never be raising money for him.

That is a very useful counter to this silly politico article that falsely claimed the guy’s e-mail was a pro-amnesty fund-raiser.

Of course, the other e-mail had nothing to do with “pro-amnesty” either. But at least it had something to do with immigration policy.


35 posted on 09/05/2011 12:22:23 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tempest

Great, now you are posting pictures of people flipping the bird at us. How low will you sink?


36 posted on 09/05/2011 12:23:05 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tempest

Who do you support?


37 posted on 09/05/2011 12:27:50 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What’s this ‘us’ crap? Your a snake oil selling, Pro-NAFTA, illegal immigrant loving, gardisil shooting, Democrat.

and I’m a conservative.

There is no us.


38 posted on 09/05/2011 12:28:45 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: Nextrush

That pretty much is their scam isn’t it.


39 posted on 09/05/2011 12:30:11 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: smoothsailing

That’s a great chart for people that don’t have two eyeballs or can’t think for theselves.


40 posted on 09/05/2011 12:35:05 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: ncalburt

Oddly enough it’s scared trolls that often make ad hominem, strawmen arguements like you do....


41 posted on 09/05/2011 12:37:59 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: Nextrush

that’s an awesome find!


42 posted on 09/05/2011 12:39:22 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: Tempest

They play with our emotions and use “wedge issues” as Rove calls them to suck us into supporting RINO’s.

Back in 1988 Bush 41 who said “read my lips, no new taxes” was making a speech saying something like “I’m not a card carrying member of the ACLU.”

He was making an emotional connection with conservatives to get their votes, not promising to make government smaller.

Its way past time for a Republican president to do that.

Its way past time to sober up and not be fooled anymore by these emotional ploys.


43 posted on 09/05/2011 12:40:39 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Tempest

The letter speaks of Rick Perry switching his positions from the ones he took in the 2006 election.

Immigration and a tax increase proposal from Perry are in the mix of issues.

This same guy who’s raising money for Perry now was saying back then......”Its time for Texas Republicans to stand for principle once more and not fall for the empty promises of Rick Perry and his kind.”


44 posted on 09/05/2011 12:47:56 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: smoothsailing; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs

Interesting.


45 posted on 09/05/2011 12:51:39 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Nextrush

I’m glad to see that more and more Freepers are starting to see through Rick Perry.

To me he’s a completely transparent, butt-kissing, shyster that apparently serves a pretty mean glass of kool-aid.

I sometimes wonder if some of his supporters around here aren’t part of his Texas network looking to profit off of his tendancy to sellout to close friends and family.


46 posted on 09/05/2011 12:54:38 AM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: Nextrush

Read the letter I linked to in post #33.

PERRY RAISED TAXES IN TEXAS......


47 posted on 09/05/2011 12:55:30 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: smoothsailing
For some reason which escapes me, NumbersUSA will list non-candidates but ignores Thad McCotter, who has a lifelong B+ rating and an "A" rating this term.
48 posted on 09/05/2011 1:33:14 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

“Numbers USA” founder is an environmentalist activist.


49 posted on 09/05/2011 1:39:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Tempest

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-04/california-employment-level-sinks-to-record-low-as-fewer-women-find-jobs.html

55% of working age Californians had a job in July, in your home state.

Maybe Rick Perry can help out with that problem. Gov. Moonbeam and Gov. Schwartzenrinolovechild do not seem to have set the stage for much improvement.


50 posted on 09/05/2011 1:44:26 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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