Posted on 08/22/2011 1:50:16 PM PDT by Cincinna
Equally good advice is to never be alone in a room with Ms. Diallo, unless you are planning on having a witness there and videotaping the entire encounter.
Oh, I have no doubt that DSK has probably been “aggressive” in his numerous encounters with women. In most if not all cases, the women involved were probably persuaded by him to go along with it because he had some type of power over them (not physical, but he is a powerful man). There’s no doubt that many powerful men have been overly aggressive in pressing women for sex. Convincing her to do something that she did not want to do makes him a slimeball. That does not make him a rapist, however. Assuming both parties are sober, it isn’t rape if none of the parties refuse.
You present very convincing points. and you are right about how this case , with this dfendent , would have gone down.
Thanks for your post.
I will have to defer to Freeper reviews of cases in the future ...just kidding, but you have presented very interesting information...and that is important.
Thank you as well for yours. This is precisely why we have to be careful, because some media sources will not report all of the relevant facts. Some media sources would love to make this a case about different racial groups or different class groups, but the facts simply suggest that she is a liar.
Well, now you are treading on the gray area.
I can imagine a young woman with an aggressive man saying no, and he insisting physically. Those situations are not ones where a young woman , and you point out rightly, he is also a powerful man can just with all the self confidence of a more mature, or confident woman easily say “I’m leaving now” and actually leave.
“ Convincing “ someone to have sex,and being physically aggresive are two different things entirely, and the latter is rape.
so, according to your definition, it isn’t rape if none of the parties refuse? Physically threatening a person or restraining them is hardly acquiesence.
Unless, of course its whoopie goldberg’s definition..”Well, its not ‘Rape’ Rape.
Slimeballs talk a woman into sex, or use their influence..as, Bill Clinton. Being physically threatening is rape.
That is not what I am saying at all. If a man physically intimidates a woman into having sex after she has declined, then that is RAPE in my opinion. What I was referring to was the verbal sparring that can sometimes take place in the lead-up to an, um, casual encounter. Often times guys will try every trick in the book and say anything to persuade a woman to have sex with them. That is what I’m referring to when I talk about being overly aggressive. Clearly I draw the line at being physically intimidating. If a woman feels threatened and that she doesn’t have the right to leave the area immediately if she wants to, then that is wrong. Does this clear things up?
Nothing at all in common with the Duke Lacrosse team case.
DSK us a known serial sexual predator, and the DA admits the encounter was probably non-consensual and the evidence corroborates that.
Her other lies and/or misstatements arent really relevant to whether she was attacked or not.
In my #42, I was also thinking of an example where the woman really needs something from the man (a job or something) and so he manipulates her need and gets her to have sex with him. Slimeball behavior, but not rape.
DSK has been accused of more than persuasion... Physical violence and intimidation according to the scores of women who have already spoken out.
I believe someone else in this thread has asked you to corroborate your statement that the DA said the encounter was probably non-consensual. From what I understand, the only thing that the physical evidence corroborates is that they had sexual relations. Please post a source for your claim if you have heard otherwise.
Even if the DA did say that however, that doesn't prove anything. Opening and closing statements in trials are not considered evidence, and statements by prosecutors outside the confines of a courtroom are certainly not evidence. The prosecutor obviously believed they initially had a case when they arrested DSK. Maybe he is trying to save face by claiming that in his heart, he knows it was probably non-consensual.
Her other lies and/or misstatements arent really relevant to whether she was attacked or not.
What do you think about this allegation? A law enforcement official said that the day after the alleged attack, when Ms. Diallo was being held in an Arizona immigration detention center, she hinted to the caller that she was going to try to exploit DSK's wealth.
Do you really think that this is irrelevant to whether she was attacked or not? We only have HER word to go on as to what allegedly happened in that room, because she's the only one that would have HAD to testify at trial (DSK could always refuse). I'd say that hinting to someone that she was going to try to exploit DSK's wealth, ONE DAY after the rape, is exculpatory evidence.
"The nature and number of the complainant’s falsehoods leave us unable to credit her version of events beyond a reasonable doubt, whatever the truth may be about the encounter between the complainant and the defendant,” the papers state. “If we do not believe her beyond a reasonable doubt, we cannot ask a jury to do so.”
Does that sound like the prosecutors think the sex was probably non-consensual? The prosecutors SLAMMED her. They stated in their motion that Diallo lied so frequently, that it's impossible to believe her story anymore. They were being generous when they threw in the "beyond a reasonable doubt" stuff at the end. The real truth is that they didn't believe her much at all. Look what the Wall Street Journal is saying. Their headline is that the case leaves a cloud over the prosecutor, NOT DSK.
Jeez, look at your original post. DSK is a commie/socialist and a friend of Bill Ayers, therefore he must be a rapist. Come on. Are you personal friends with the “victim”? What is making you repeatedly spout untrue things in this thread?
Very clear.
I have to give you credit for thinking all this through very carefully.
This has been an informative and most interesting discussion with you. I appreciate your reasoned responses.
I do agree that the manipulations of women are Not rape and also in this case with DSK one of the most upsetting aspects is that this woman makes it more difficult for women that Have been raped to be believed.
Thanks to you as well. I have also enjoyed this discussion. Discussion of non-political topics provides us with a welcome respite from the political grind. I agree with you that liars like Ms. Diallo make it tougher for true rape victims to tell their story, which is why I support sentencing people like the Duke lacrosse stripper to prison. They should be convicted of their felonies for their disgusting conduct .
Thanks Cincinna.
But if the accused is rich enough to gather enough informatione to cover and obscure the intial evidence, that changes everything. That's the Golden Rule.
Hey Cincinna,
Unbelievable, right?
I was with a French friend of mine, and we watched the interview with this ....maid. It was so clear that she was making up things as she spoke! And I do think that she was attacked, it’s just it seems like she’s a pathological lier!
Bonsoir Sarah! Oui, c’est incroyable!
We all know that everyone in France, certainly in Paris, has known all about DSK and his abuse & harassment of women for many many years.
I hope we have heard the last of DSK. The revelations that came out showed him to be an extremely disturbed, out of control individual, who engages in very risky behavior, and leaves himself open to accusations, blackmail, and God only knows what else. IMHO he should be kept as far away from positions of power as possible.
Oh please! The maid was not on trial, DSK was. Ask anyone who has lived in France, and reads the French press -everyone knows that DSK is a serial sexual predator. But there is a coverup system In France that protects the Socialist elites, and a legal system there that is hardly transparent.
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