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Wars and tax cuts not responsible for U.S. debt crisis
Sun Media via Toronto Sun ^ | 2011-08-01 | John Robson

Posted on 08/01/2011 9:22:24 AM PDT by Clive

How did the United States get into this debt mess?

President Obama blames both parties, and he’s right. But the real question isn’t who did it, it’s how. The answer is social programs.

America’s previous debt problems all came from major national emergencies, beginning with the Revolutionary War. The Civil War saw debt skyrocket from $65 million in 1860 to $2.5 billion in 1870; World War I from $2.6 billion in 1910 to $26 billion in 1920; World War II from $43 billion in 1940 to $257 billion in 1950. But when the clearly defined crisis ended, so did the extra spending, and the debt stabilized.

Even the Cold War produced little borrowing; 1960’s $290-billion debt was just 13% higher than in 1950. But then it exploded: $389 billion in 1970; $930 billion in 1980; $3.2 trillion in 1990; $5.7 trillion in 2000; and 2010’s $13.6 trillion.

Still, to say the debt is at record levels is not, by itself, to say much. Between economic growth and inflation, a debt that was horrifying in, for instance, 1840 would be laughable today. (Since you ask, it was $3.5 million.)

The best way to gauge the seriousness of government debt, though far from perfect, is by its share of GDP. That measure shows U.S. federal debt staying under 40% even in the Civil War and World War I, rising a bit above it in the Great Depression, spiking in World War II at over 110%, then falling steadily to under 30% by the early 1980s. Then it rebounded and, after a dip in the late 1990s, shot upward.

A “discourse” on the left blames it all on the right. The Toronto Star’s Heather Mallick just blamed this year’s $1.4 trillion deficit on “George W. Bush’s tax cuts and by Barack Obama’s continuing to wage two unwinnable, unaffordable wars and starting a third in Libya”. But it just ain’t so.

Tax cuts cannot be the culprit because the United States does not have a revenue problem. For six decades federal taxes took an average of just under 18% of GDP and, after a sharp recessionary dip, are heading back that way.

The U.S. has a spending problem. From an average of just over 18% of GDP from 1950 to 1974, federal spending rose to an average of 20.8% from 1975 to 2007 then shot up to over 25%. And not on wars: at $666.7 billion in 2010 (about 4.5% of GDP) the military budget is less than half the deficit. Moreover, defence’s share of GDP fell from nearly 15% in the early 1950s to under 10% by 1970 to under 5% by 2000 yet the budget was not on fire in the 1950s or even 1970s.

As Sherlock Holmes says, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. The guilty party is non-defence spending and, more particularly, social programs.

Washington took significant steps toward a welfare state in the 1930s under FDR. But only in the 1960s did it really start “throwing money” at social problems while trying hard to remove the stigma of taking government cash.

It worked. Spending on poverty more than doubled in the 1960s alone, and welfare payments tripled. Medicare, the federal health program for the elderly created in 1965, was meant to cost $3.2 billion a year but hit $13 billion by 1975, $79 billion by 1988 and $231 billion by 2002. Then George Bush inspired Congress to add pharmaceutical benefits, and the total cost exceeded $451 billion in 2010.

Medicaid, a parallel 1965 program for the poor (with significant state and local funding, unlike Medicare), exploded in a similar fashion, costing Washington $272 billion by 2010. Meanwhile, Social Security hit $706 billion, while other Income Security programs together took $622 billion.

The 2008 recession and Obamacare worsened the picture. But already in 2007 the Congressional Budget Office warned that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid consumed 8.4% of GDP but by 2030 would pass 16% and under no conceivable circumstances could revenue keep pace.

As Sarah Palin just said, “It’s the spending, stupid.” Specifically non-defence spending. That’s where the problem came from, and the only place it can be solved.


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1 posted on 08/01/2011 9:22:29 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
Finally someone is saying it.

I always find it amusing that the same political class who insist they can reduce smoking by raising taxes on tobacco, turn around and claim they can hike taxes on income and that will have no negative effect on economic growth rates.

2 posted on 08/01/2011 9:26:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Clive
As Sarah Palin just said, “It’s the spending, stupid.” Specifically non-defence spending. That’s where the problem came from, and the only place it can be solved.

and it is the Keynesian mentality of libtards that make this spending acceptable

3 posted on 08/01/2011 9:28:18 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Clive

Most of us understand this but the problem is not so much economy but the use of it to destroy America. The communists want to control this Country and they will use the economy to do it. So far we have lost so much freedom and our standard of living that even if we take back the total government it will take generations just to move some of it back. Mark my words, America will never be the same. And at my age I will never see it.


4 posted on 08/01/2011 9:33:31 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: MNJohnnie

The only war we ever should have surrendered to is the war on poverty. Nine trillion dollars and there are as many poor now as when the war began.

Liberals taxes impoverish all of us.


5 posted on 08/01/2011 9:34:51 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (People should enjoy the fruits of their labor. No labor, no fruit.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Stop with the logic, lol.


6 posted on 08/01/2011 9:40:25 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Clive

Bump


7 posted on 08/01/2011 9:51:41 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Clive
Medicaid, a parallel 1965 program for the poor (with significant state and local funding, unlike Medicare), exploded in a similar fashion, costing Washington $272 billion by 2010. Meanwhile, Social Security hit $706 billion, while other Income Security programs together took $622 billion.

The 2008 recession and Obamacare worsened the picture. But already in 2007 the Congressional Budget Office warned that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid consumed 8.4% of GDP but by 2030 would pass 16% and under no conceivable circumstances could revenue keep pace.

As Sarah Palin just said, “It’s the spending, stupid.” Specifically non-defence spending. That’s where the problem came from, and the only place it can be solved.

There it is, the perfect summary.
The only critically important number missing is the illegal immigrant component of paragraph 1.

Only a functional moron could fail to grasp the enormity of the problem.
The current electorate is understandable, but the elected leaders have up to now been presumed to be just a tad over the retarded IQ level of 70. I have my doubts if it reaches that sad level.

8 posted on 08/01/2011 9:52:30 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Clive

I suspect there are MANY, MANY, cities & states subscribing to this “policy.” The “gurgling Sound” you hear is the sound of America going down the drain of liberalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6ok5ykyuQ&feature=share


9 posted on 08/01/2011 9:55:04 AM PDT by Fighter@heart (Ask The American Indian how ignoring immigration worked out for them!!! WAKE UP!!)
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To: Clive

I suspect there are MANY, MANY, cities & states subscribing to this “policy.” The “gurgling Sound” you hear is the sound of America going down the drain of liberalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6ok5ykyuQ&feature=share


10 posted on 08/01/2011 9:55:17 AM PDT by Fighter@heart (Ask The American Indian how ignoring immigration worked out for them!!! WAKE UP!!)
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To: Clive

We don’t need no steenkin’ facts.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 10:13:56 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Yes Palin CAN defeat the Obamanable snowman!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

I beg to disagree. We have spent something like $3.5 Trillion on our overseas wars for the last ten years.
All of the appropriations for this have been off the books so to speak, not in a budget.
You don’t think that this spending hasn’t contributed to our problems?


12 posted on 08/01/2011 10:18:58 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Did you notice the way I said and spelled that? I was speaking from the mouth of those who created the problem and are continuing it.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 10:28:47 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Yes Palin CAN defeat the Obamanable snowman!)
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To: Clive
Number of logical falacies: 0.
Number of incorrect facts: 0.
Number of liberals persuaded: 0.

14 posted on 08/01/2011 10:31:50 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: Joe Bfstplk
The only war we ever should have surrendered to is the war on poverty. Nine trillion dollars and there are as many poor now as when the war began.

You, my friend, have been thoroughly and spectacularly brainwashed; and you are not alone.
Of course the rate is the same, and will always be the same when the standard defining it is constantly redefined upwards.
In addition, the cost of the "Poverty Industry" administering the hundreds of programs is not part of the "costs" cited. Find a book, or statistics on poverty, and immediately you will find attached glowing reviews by the parasites touting the continuing and worsening plight of the poverty stricken.
There will always be the statement that the "physically unable" must be morally(?) taken care of, without any attempt to define the minuscule number that fall under this category, compared to the total number receiving benefits from the working taxpayer in non-government employ.

It can never be repeated too often... the government can't fund the ever increasing "poor." Never has. The working non-government employees do. Always have.

Check out these two links :

Poverty Amenities today

What Is Poverty in America Today?

15 posted on 08/01/2011 11:04:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Clive

Somebody needs to put this in some kind of graph.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 11:09:49 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: MNJohnnie

 

By allowing the 2003 tax cuts to retire, Present 0bama will be increasing the bottom rate from 10% to 15% and the 20% bracket to 25%.
 
Do the math :
 
 Raising the 10% bracket to 15% represents what percentage of increase? Hint: The correct answer is NOT 5%.
 
Raising the 20% bracket to 25% represents what percentage of increase? Hint: The correct answer, again, is NOT 5%.
 
Finally, raising the 35% bracket to 39% represents what percentage of increase: Hint: The correct answer is NOT 4%.
 
Extra credit question: People in which tax bracket will see the largest percentage of increase in their taxes?
 
Extra extra credit question: People in which tax bracket will see the smallest percentage of increase in their taxes?
 
 To those moving from the 35% to the 39% tax bracket...that’s roughly an 11% increase in taxes.
 
From 20% to 25%...that’s a full-blown 25% increase in taxes.
 
To those moving from the 10% bracket to 15%, their taxes will be increased by a whopping 50%.
 
So the low-income people get their taxes raised even more when seen as a percentage. And the rich folks lose a higher magnitude of money...but the percentage compared to what they already make is lower.

IOW,as ElRushbo said, a benefit to the people is a “cost” to the goobermint.


17 posted on 08/01/2011 11:33:42 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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