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The Debt-Ceiling Divide [Krauthammer]
National Review ^ | 7/29/2011 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 07/29/2011 6:15:08 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

Edited on 07/29/2011 6:51:30 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Servant of the Cross

He’s right about absolutely everything.

BUT ... the ‘play along’ MO is not new!

Where and when it has been adopted (it seems Liberals exact this perennially…it’s like a STANDING Liberal requirement) it has cost Conservatives taxpayers more money AND diminished the Conservative position.

Much as I like this author, I feel that he has NO concept of how this rankles with Conservatives… and NOT just with Tea Party types. Conservatives have reached the saturation point with the kind of Liberal tyranny we are AGAIN being ‘invited’ to accommodate.

I realize that force of circumstance is everything here… but hasn’t this ALWAYS been their justification when politicians ask for further and more compromising complicity in policies and programs which are totally inconsistent with Conservative beliefs? NOW, we feel like it is finally asking TOO MUCH!!

Conservative complicity in this buys us a seat on the bus… yet we are always threatened with being tossed off the bus because we haggle over the surrender of ever more principle for the sake of political expediency.

Charles needs to see that SOME Conservatives feel like they’re against the wall here.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 7:03:46 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: Jonty30

Boehner knows, probably more than just about anybody, just how much can be accomplished with the current situation and he probably got the best deal possible.”

It’s not apparent to me at all that he has a deal. What is apparent, is that he is trying to muscle the Tea Party with hopes of sort of salvaging a deal (incidentally, a deal which is DOA on arrival in the Senate). So...just exactly what has Boehner done here which is so brilliant, and the best of all possible worlds?

“If you want a better deal, give the Republicans more seats, and in both houses.

Then you’ll get a better deal.”

That is painfully obvious and no one is disputing that.

The only question in front of us for today, is how to deal with the present crisis, and to cause as little damage as possible....including, not whipping the Tea Party Caucus to take a vote that will piss off their constituents and cause them to lose re-election....which would be a real step backwards, seeing as they are the only ones who appear to know WTF is going on in the real world.


22 posted on 07/29/2011 7:07:13 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Sidebar Moderator

This is the first that I’ve ever seen National Review required to be excerpted. Is this new?


23 posted on 07/29/2011 7:08:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: 30Moves

Your are right that the Hammer said those things. But what I like about Charles is that when wrong he will correct himself.


24 posted on 07/29/2011 7:13:01 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Oh, I pray for that daily. Unfortunately, short of an act of God, we just kissed it goodbye last night.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 7:15:17 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The author is syndicated by the Washington post. This piece first appeared there.


26 posted on 07/29/2011 7:16:33 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Servant of the Cross
Krauthammer really thinks we all are lemmings.
Says he - ignoring the US Constitution for his Mondale delusion,
"Given this reality, trying to force the issue
— trying to turn a blocking minority
into a governing authority — is not just counter-
constitutional in spirit
but self-destructive in practice."

Nope. The House controls.
But, Krauthammer always supports Obama and the DNC
rather than America, the GOP, or conservatives.

Makes himself a honeypot for the MSM.

27 posted on 07/29/2011 7:23:23 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: org.whodat

And your non-solution observation helps how?

What part of Charles artilcle do you disagree with?


28 posted on 07/29/2011 7:23:23 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Duh. My bad. And I just excerpted another National Review article that I didn’t need to.


29 posted on 07/29/2011 7:26:12 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

>>>>>I have every sympathy with the conservative counterrevolutionaries.

sounds good, but that’s not what he says at 3:37 p.m. and later on faux news.


30 posted on 07/29/2011 7:26:24 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Jonty30
If you want a better deal, give the Republicans more seats, and in both houses.

Then you’ll get a better deal.

LOL! How soon people forget. The Republicans held all three houses during part of Bush's time in office and boy did we roll back big government then, eh?

Screw Republicans, get actual conservatives more seats.

31 posted on 07/29/2011 7:35:16 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Diogenesis
Good morning Diogenesis. Happy Friday.

" ... is not just counter-constitutional in spirit but self-destructive in practice."

I completely disagree with chuck saying "counter-constitutional" as well. That is totally false. I also am well aware of his previous nonconservative positions on a host of issues. However, I'm merely considering the political strategy suggested in the article and whether we may be "self-destructive" here. Given the impact of a technical 'default' on the economy and how 0bama and his sycophantic media will use it to negatively taint GOP candidates for all offices in 2012, I'm persuaded that an 'all-or-nothing' strategy in this small battle of the much larger war, isn't worth the harm to our cause. We need to be as strong as possible for the 2012 war.

You give the general electorate of this country way too much credit. Unfortunately, they aren't very smart since most were educated in government schools.

32 posted on 07/29/2011 7:42:34 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; All
Unfortunately, I don't think this is in question at all. The MSM still controls the debate for most of the voting public.

If you are correct, it doesn't matter what the Republicans do, because they will be blamed.

If the Republicans hold the line, I think it far more likely that the stock market will go up rather than down. Other than the debt, which must be paid Constitutionally, the Obama administration will control the disbursement of funds, so the Republicans are in a stronger position to blame Obama for how the funds are disbursed.

I think we are at a critical point in the media wars. The MSM has been losing credibility since 1994, at least. The new media has been gaining. It seems to take longer for the new media to get points across to the public, but they seem to get across. That is how we won the house in 2010.

33 posted on 07/29/2011 7:49:42 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Buffalo Head
Krauthead. Talks slow and acts the part, but the. Man is 99% BS, and the only person that I know for sure he is smarter than is the honorable Ms Lee of Texas. And sometimes I wonder about that. His game plan is the same old game plan, party til you puke.
34 posted on 07/29/2011 7:50:21 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
"the future of the welfare state, indeed, the nature of the social contract between citizen and state.""

Yes, but NO! Take one step back and look at another part of the Big Picture. It is denying reality to think that you can spend more than your income. Liberalism, or whatever you want to call it, is based on an impossible view of reality. Moronic stupidity wrapped with misguided 'Good Intentions.'

36 posted on 07/29/2011 8:09:55 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Servant of the Cross

I agree with CK.

Pocket the wins now. Fight again another day.

The Tea Party has won the argument, for anyone paying attention.


37 posted on 07/29/2011 8:10:37 AM PDT by drellberg
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To: SMARTY
Conservatives have reached the saturation point with the kind of Liberal tyranny we are AGAIN being ‘invited’ to accommodate.

AMEN!

38 posted on 07/29/2011 8:53:26 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: G Larry
My god I have given my solution, pass the last bush budget pre tarp with date changes and attach the repeal of Obummer care. Then lay off the congressional staff for six months and let boner go golfing with his friend Obummer. Time to save the country, to hell with the party crap.
39 posted on 07/29/2011 9:52:30 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: whd23

They may have had a majority, but they didn’t have a veto-proof majority at the time.

Let’s hope they do. In 2012.


40 posted on 07/29/2011 2:03:16 PM PDT by Jonty30
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