Posted on 07/14/2011 8:46:12 PM PDT by yup2394871293
There was a time when I would assume the mans son was lying, not anymore.
There never was a time I would assume the mans son was lying. But I’ll bet you my last dollar right now that he is
Doesn’t look good
Doesn’t “look” good. For whom? Do you have some video you’re witholding?
OMFG! Kids buying beer! Quick! Murder every adult in sight!
Let me put 2 24ounce cans of beer in a bag and swing them at your head...or your wife’s head...
With your 19 year old son there to back you up
A couple points. Turner didn't ask if he was free to go before he attempted to leave; the kid's story is he asked if he was under arrest. So, I find it plausible that one of the officers would use force to prevent Turner from leaving (e.g., baton strike to the back of the knee).
Agreed that Turner had brushes with the law, but none were for violence - no fighting that I can see. Also, as far as I know, there was no bench warrant or other cause for flight. I'd need more evidence and justification than you, to reach the conclusion that "Someone like that could have tried to hit the cop with his bag of beer cans."
The action of the kids sounds like baiting the cops for revenge. Set up a scene, then taunt and threaten them to get a reaction. From the tone of the article, the kids are pissed. Haven't yet learned that revenge is best served cold, nor have they learned how to get revenge discretely.
Accidental killings by cops have a tendency to get some parts of the public riled up. I'd say definitely not a nice peaceful bunch, at this point. They don't have the sort of restraint that the Ron Goldman family demonstrated, that's for sure.
A few generations ago, it was unfathomable that Americans would allow the state to require a license to bear personal firearms for self-defense.
I think the US public will be forcibly disarmed within four generations. What you and I know will be a distant memory by then. The people are being lead by packs of liars; their government (legislature, courts, executives; at all levels); the press; and the educational system.
However as a general principle, when did a lethal force response by police become standard operation procedure for just about any situation?
I have the impression that few States have the death penalty anymore. But yet the police seem to commit many extra judicial killings with the blessing of many of the States. It has become apparent in the last decade that there is a divide between police and citizens that is totally inappropriate in a free society. In just about any instance the police can give an order that must be obeyed even if it is unjustified. If the citizen doesn't obey they are at risk of being killed on the spot. How did we ever come to this?
As for the shtf scenario of a police roundup of weapons in a door to door sweep - no doubt there will be those who are "good guys" and somewhat immune to being subjected to that. But don't think for a moment that the general population would be spared - I have no doubts at all that police, national guard, reserve and regular military would obey orders if they were ever given. And don't forget the agreement with Canada that their troops can be used in the USA in case of civil unrest. And it's unrealistic to think that there'd be any real or effective resistance. A nation of sheeple. Those that did resist - well their neighbors, if not evacuated, would be cowering in their basements.
As to this case, like any other similar situation - it's not what happened it's how can the lawyers spin it to smooth it all over for the powers that be. If the Chief and DA can be given a plausible expanation that's all that's necessary. Back to business as usual.
If this seem cynical maybe it is the ethos of the age.
Let me see if Ihave this straight. The cops kill dad while responding to an “underage drinking” call (a capital offense????) and so at the hospital the enraged family members are arrested because of “a report of gun” and being “part of a criminal group” (because they are there in the parking lot?). So what we have here = “underage drinking call results in death by cop” and “report of gun” results in arrest”. I would hope this kind of crap would stir up folks in ANY community.
They serve US, we are not their “subjects”. Gives a whole new angle to the phrase “when seconds count the police are only minutes away...” Maybe that is a GOOD thing.
The news says one of the officers was treated for injuries, but doesn't describe them.
The kid's story and the cops story totally conflict as to who "swung" first, or even at all. The kid's story does not have pop swinging a bag in anger, let alone at a cops head.
If the kid's version is accurate, the deceased will have evidence of injury on the back of his legs if the kids story is correct. If the deceased was struck from behind, the physical arrangement makes it tough for him to be facing the cop to swing a bag of beer cans at his head.
See you in the re-education camps.
Simple corruption of law, for the benefit of the state.
The dreaded “Oil Cans”.
I had a very un-memorable evening once with those...
Weren’t the Schlitz Malt Liquor’s the first of those? I spent a hot afternoon with two fellow sailors at Cecil Field NAS filling the back of a pickup truck with empty Schlitz Malt Liquors.
Hot Sun. Schlitz Malt Liquor. Not a good combo...
Why do you think that?
ABSOLUTELY! I really hope there's a videotape for evidence here. I want to know exactly what happened. If it disappears, won't be able to help but assume innocence on the part of the deceased.
“I think the US public will be forcibly disarmed within four generations.”
I think Americans will forcibly disarm all cops and government agents within four generrations.
My scenario is as likely as yours.
Not if world history and the general direction of "personal responsibility" are any guide.
“I have no doubts at all that police, national guard, reserve and regular military would obey orders if they were ever given.”
Yeh, you’re right. At Infantry Training Regiment we attended a class titled: “How to shoot mom and pop and enjoy a beer afterwards.” Then at the rifle range we pinned up pictures of brother and sister and snapped in.
Hell, everyone in the military is a mindless goosestepping Nazi. How did you find out?
Long ago and far away turning away and (?) swing anything at the coppers would result in a 'tune up'.
Today that would be excessive force and many times not possible with a five foot three 110 pound officer.
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