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Administration Asks Court To Halt Execution Of Mexican National In Texas
kwtx.com ^ | 7/1/2011 | kwtx

Posted on 07/06/2011 10:05:12 AM PDT by tutstar

Edited on 07/06/2011 10:26:36 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Marathoner

I believe “leftist” and “ugly” are interrelated. Ugly women take on radical feminist and leftist causes because it gives them a sense of personal worth.


61 posted on 07/06/2011 11:28:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: patriotsoul
If he’s been in the USA since he was 2, doesn’t the amnesty bill in 1986 make him an American citizen?

VERY good point!

62 posted on 07/06/2011 11:30:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: tutstar
"Hey, If I could give Karla Faye Tucker the needle then TX can stick it to Humberto."

-Bill Clinton

63 posted on 07/06/2011 11:30:47 AM PDT by JPG (Elect Sarah Palin in '12. America won't get another chance.)
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To: ScottinVA
I believe “leftist” and “ugly” are interrelated. Ugly women take on radical feminist and leftist causes because it gives them a sense of personal worth, because they can't find a man to start a family.
64 posted on 07/06/2011 11:36:47 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: tutstar

Mexican Passport = License to Kill


65 posted on 07/06/2011 11:50:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tutstar; Liz; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”The administration is asking the court to delay the July 7 execution of Humberto Leal, 38, for as long as six months to give Congress time to consider legislation that would directly affect Leal’s case.

There's a way to operate: have congress pass a federal law to get an illegal alien violent criminal (undocumented criminal??) off the hook. I am guessing they pass a federal law that requires the federal government take custody of the illegal violent criminals to protect him from the states, not to protect us from them.

I heard Mexico might stop sending their 'undocumented tourists' to the US for visits if this case isnt stopped.

66 posted on 07/06/2011 11:56:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Oceander
Obuttocks is trying to bootstrap the binding effect of the treaty by, in essence, claiming that it ought to be binding on Texas because, if you just give Congress enough time, Congress will do what it needs to do to make the treaty binding on Texas.

Blame Bush.

No. Seriously.

Blame Bush.

Bush attempted to intervene in a similar case some years ago, and was given a 7-2 smackdown by the Supreme Court, which said in effect that the consular requirements of the Vienna Treaty could not be enforced against the States without specific legislation. That legislation never happened; Leahy is trying to make it happen now.

The SCOTUS position on this is not an old one. The Supremacy of the Constitution over Treaties has been reinforced over and over again by the Supremes. The most recent binding precedent is from 2006, I believe, but I'm not interested enough to check it. The "2006" case again reinforced Whitney v. Robertson, among others.

Bush should have simply ignored the decision of the International Court in the first place. Why he decided to open this can of worms with presidential meddling, prompting the SCOTUS rebuke, has always been somewhat of a mystery. Probably a sop to V. Fox, and the State Dept.

67 posted on 07/06/2011 11:58:15 AM PDT by FredZarguna (A city--whose every act may thus define a looney bin--is unfit to be the residence of a Free People.)
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To: harpu
How does it get to the Supreme Court without being heard in the lower courts?!?

It has been. This is the murderer's appeal to SCOTUS, and the administration asked to file an amicus brief on his side. Strange, normally the government files such briefs on the side of "the people" in cases, not on the side of the convicted murderer. What we have here is literally the people of Texas vs. the US federal government.

Here's the docket. Note it went to Scalia, who usually doesn't take kindly to international interference in local US cases.

68 posted on 07/06/2011 12:02:28 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: tutstar
One day we may wake and not recognize America AT ALL!

Let's see:

Flying the American flag is considered to be offensive and in bad taste.

Flash mobs are terrorizing our population.

Elected officials publicly and proudly state that the Constitution is irrelevant.

It's illegal to mention God on public property.

Our government routinely takes over private corporations and entire industries (in fact and under law).

English is not spoken in an increasing number of American locales.

Illegal aliens are allowed and encouraged to stay in our nation and not assimilate, and are allowed to vote (or not prevented from voting).

Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts are not allowed to carry pocket knives.

The President of the United States bows to foreign leaders.

The President of the Unites States believes that the Constitution is deeply flawed because it only says what the government cannot do to us, but does not say what it must do for us.

Mayors and city councils outlaw salt in restaurant food.

Federal agencies require us to have permits before we can chop down trees or modify our properties.

Little kids can no longer operate lemonade stands.

The sale of incandescent light bulbs is illegal.

The federal government takes no steps to protect our borders, and sues states that attempt to protect their own borders from foreign invaders.

The fastest growing economic sector is government employment, and the only boom town in the country is Washington DC.

I must say that the day when we no longer recognize America has come and gone. I truly do not recognize the nation that I grew up in.

69 posted on 07/06/2011 12:08:37 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: FrankR

The problem here is the liberals are adding to the Vienna Convention in relation to consular relations. Sure, it says that consuls have a function of helping their nationals in legal trouble. It doesn’t say the consul has to do it, or that anyone has to be notified. It only says they have to be notified if a person with official diplomatic credentials is arrested.


70 posted on 07/06/2011 12:11:17 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Marathoner; ScottinVA
Why is it that most leftist women are uglier than homemade sin?

I believe “leftist” and “ugly” are interrelated. Ugly women take on radical feminist and leftist causes because it gives them a sense of personal worth.

One of Rush's original "Undeniable Truths of Life":
Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women greater access to mainstream society.

71 posted on 07/06/2011 12:12:39 PM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money (I'm voting for Sarah Palin in 2012. Even if I have to write her name in!)
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To: ScottinVA
Frappante ähnlichkeit! Are they twins?

I believe the San Antonio paper describes her as "Sister Corbin." Can't understand why ...

72 posted on 07/06/2011 12:12:43 PM PDT by FredZarguna (A city--whose every act may thus define a looney bin--is unfit to be the residence of a Free People.)
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To: sickoflibs
I am guessing they pass a federal law that requires the federal government take custody of the illegal violent criminals to protect him from the states

  1. They will not pass such a law.
  2. If they pass Leahy's law, it would simply require States to inform consular offices when foreign nationals are arrested (when known.)
  3. They will not pass that law, either, as long as we control the House.

73 posted on 07/06/2011 12:18:04 PM PDT by FredZarguna (A city--whose every act may thus define a looney bin--is unfit to be the residence of a Free People.)
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To: FredZarguna
RE :"If they pass Leahy's law, it would simply require States to inform consular offices when foreign nationals are arrested (when known.) "

What good would that do them in this case?

Better idea: require local government to inform Immigration and Naturalization Service when they have illegals in their custody or lose federal funding.

74 posted on 07/06/2011 12:23:57 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
None. Leahy wants reconsideration of the case on the grounds that some law is pending in the hope that the SCOTUS will order a new trial with consular involvement -- which has nothing to do with pending legislation. It's the typical Lefty crap with regards to death penalty cases: Delay, delay, delay.

This POS has already been on death row longer than his victim was alive. It's time he wasn't.

75 posted on 07/06/2011 12:30:16 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Character is destiny. Casey Anthony may have escaped The People, but she cannot escape her karma.)
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To: FredZarguna
RE :”None. Leahy wants reconsideration of the case on the grounds that some law is pending in the hope that the SCOTUS will order a new trial with consular involvement — which has nothing to do with pending legislation. It's the typical Lefty crap with regards to death penalty cases: Delay, delay, delay.
This POS has already been on death row longer than his victim was alive. It's time he wasn't.

I am sure he exhausted the appeal process too. Given Obama's judgement on this I wouldnt want him anywhere near an immigration reform bill.

Maybe he didn't know rape and murder were against the law. We must respect others cultures they tell us.

76 posted on 07/06/2011 1:20:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: JPG

“Hey, If I could give Karla Faye Tucker the needle then TX can stick it to Humberto.”
-Bill Clinton

Actually George W Bush made sure karla faye was executed in Texas.

Good point about medelllin. At the time everyone said mexico and others would be harsh on US citizens arrested in their country of we executed that POS Medellin.


77 posted on 07/06/2011 1:22:25 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: tutstar
Buh, buhhhh, but.....they're not Mexican Nationals! Obama says they're undocumented immigrants. So, Mr. Mexico, what this means is that these guys are OURS and we will do what we damned well please with them...suck it.
78 posted on 07/06/2011 1:23:19 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RWGinger
OOps..I was thinking Clinton/Ricky Ray Rector...in any event, ignore Barry and shuffle off the murderer.
79 posted on 07/06/2011 1:41:56 PM PDT by JPG (Elect Sarah Palin in '12. America won't get another chance.)
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To: JPG

hey anytime a murderer gets taken out it is good day.

Bush actually took a lot of heat for letting karla Faye get the needle. well sure she was a multiple ax murderer but she find religion in prison and CNN and 60 mins did a sob story on how she turned her life around.

Then Bush goes and tries to stop a raping murdering illegal from being executed. go figure
The state of Texas said, too bad , so sad
and I expect them to say the same thing to this latest raping murdering illegal.


80 posted on 07/06/2011 1:46:56 PM PDT by RWGinger
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