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Investing 400 million in Xanthi for "cold fusion" of hydrogen
Energy Press ^ | June 23 2011 | Energy Press

Posted on 06/23/2011 11:30:41 AM PDT by Kevmo

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To: stinkerpot65

Liberals are hypocrites. They drive cars and turn on the lights when they get home, just like us.

I had not thought of your version of why the MSM is ignoring this, but it fits quite well. Of course, if this is successful, the Obama administration will take credit for it. So that kinda leaves me in an ambivalent state, hoping this will be successful... after Obama leaves office in 2012.

There is also a spiritual component to something like this. Let’s say it is all that Rossi says it is. Cheap energy, no more reliance on middle east loonies for energy, etc.
1 Thessalonians 5:3
While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4


21 posted on 06/23/2011 12:37:04 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Domalais

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. What if you don’t recall correctly?

It’s easy to just sit back and say, “scam”. But there’s basically no value in it. The same thing was said about the Wright brothers. The right thing to do is to develop the knowledge & inductive skillset to determine HOW it’s a scam or IF it’s a scam.

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts


22 posted on 06/23/2011 12:41:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Domalais
An earlier scheme of his
23 posted on 06/23/2011 12:45:08 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Kevmo

Q) What’s the sound of an orchestrated scam entering its final phase?

A) Kaching!


24 posted on 06/23/2011 12:49:34 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kevmo
made by two Italian scientists from the University of Bologna

Yeah it sure sounds like Bologna to me.

25 posted on 06/23/2011 12:51:07 PM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: Jack of all Trades
"IF it actually works, I thought it was only a heat source."

If you read more carefully, you will see that what Rossi actually said was that the CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION is only usable as a heat source, and that was said back in the first couple of demos back in January or so. That was when things were very much in the "research prototype" stage, which was not designed for high operating pressures and temperatures (which are necessary to drive a genset).

One of the things Defkalion was to do (with Rossi's guidance) was to develop the methodologies to extend the operating range to that necessary for purposes other than heating.

26 posted on 06/23/2011 12:51:46 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo

These kinds of articles appear every few months, and so far they’ve all proven to be scams.

Hey, they say they’ll have product in just a few months. Let’s wait and see what surfaces by October. My prediction: they will be just on the cusp if they only can get a little more money.


27 posted on 06/23/2011 12:53:27 PM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: Gondring
"Then you have the ridiculous claims of huge amounts of energy that generate little puffs of (visible?) steam. I suppose there's no steam jet because the cold-nuclear process opens up a wormhole that bleeds it off into another dimension."

You need to consider that the point at which the "steam" is being shown is at the end of about 3 or more meters of exhaust tubing, which is more than sufficient to condense out most of water from the stream (and transfer most of the energy to the room interior as "waste heat".

You'd be surprised at how easily heat is lost through tube. I'm currently doing much the same thing on a much smaller scale...we're working on a small fluidic "digester" to chemically treat samples. We push an aqueous solution (about 500 ul) into a small, very thick walled glass vessel, close a couple of valves, and heat it up to 200 C. At the end of the digestion, we open a different valve, and the steam (and analyte) exits the reactor into a 1/16" OD (0.030" ID) Teflon tube. The steam makes about two inches before it starts to condense. We then take the condensed liquid aliguot to further processing and measurement.

What you see with Rossi's gizmo is absolutely NOT surprising (or unusual).

28 posted on 06/23/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: drangundsturm

Thanks for the prediction.

You seem to be unaware just how unique this particular claim is. It is no run-of-the-mill scam, he’s got several scientists saying it’s real.


29 posted on 06/23/2011 1:03:54 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: drangundsturm

It’s the oldest university in southern Europe, was in existence for ~600+/- years before Harvard.


30 posted on 06/23/2011 1:06:56 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Drill Thrawl

Reminds me of the great antigravity machine.


31 posted on 06/23/2011 1:14:41 PM PDT by ully2 (ully)
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To: Kevmo

The only thing that is ever consistent with these claims are the inconsistencies... 12,400 Wh of heat (energy) has no relation to 400W of power unless we know how long that power was applied. Apples to apples, please.


32 posted on 06/23/2011 1:15:43 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: drangundsturm

According to Wikipedia,

The Alma Mater Studiorum - University of Bologna (Italian: Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna, UNIBO) is the oldest continually operating university in the world, the word ‘universitas’ being first used by this institution at its foundation. The true date of its founding is uncertain, but believed by most accounts to have been 1088.[1]


33 posted on 06/23/2011 1:23:28 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: ully2

It will follow the economics of printers and toner cartridges. The evergy creating devices will be practically given away, but they’ll make the real money on the unicorn fart refills.


34 posted on 06/23/2011 1:27:55 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kevmo
"The rights to use and industrial use (for non-military purposes) of the invention of the Italians for the whole world except the United States took the Greek-diversified company Defkalion."

Who took the rights for the U.S.?

35 posted on 06/23/2011 1:35:50 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: sasquatch

ping.


36 posted on 06/23/2011 1:38:03 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Demons run when a good man goes to war.)
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To: Kevmo

I hate to throw cold water on the cold fusion story, but my answer is still:

BS

Now Kevmo, before you slam me let me say: Given the extreme conditions required for fusion of hydrogen-hydrogen, I just blindly refuse to believe that any other fusion reaction involving heavier elements can be achieved under lesser conditions.

You follow this much more closely than most of us others, so you might be able to quickly give a little more technical details explaning how they can pull this off?

besides, its all Greek to me.....


37 posted on 06/23/2011 1:39:43 PM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: Kevmo

oh, and if this device truly were to work, Greece would be able to solve its financial woes by controlling its use. They could ‘make’ energy and sell it.


38 posted on 06/23/2011 1:42:39 PM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: jbp1

You follow this much more closely than most of us others, so you might be able to quickly give a little more technical details explaning how they can pull this off?
***All right. Here’s my take on how.

The Hydrogen atoms get absorbed into a lattice structure like Palladium or Nickel. What were once free-as-the-wind atoms are now restricted in movement to 6 axes. When enough of them start rubbing into each other, they turn like magnets into various positions, and then they will all move together, in unison as a vibration entity. This is the alignment of their phonon energy. When 2 of these phonon entities which are just strings of hydrogen atoms moving in one direction, when they collide, they quantum tunnel the 2 hydrogen atoms at the forefront of the collision, and with some possible variations such as the Widom Larson theory, you end up with 2 hydrogen atoms fused together. Or 2 deuterium atoms, or 4 atoms producing Helium or all kinds of myriad effects. One of those myriad effects is a huge explosion at the atomic level that destroys the host lattice and transmutes the metal.

So the closest theories are the Widom Larson theory and KP Sinha’s theory. I have also personally met someone who used software developed on Mills’ theory and he says it predicts chemical behavior of certain atoms & molecules much better than other models.

In the end, it is likely to be a conglomeration of Widom-Larson/KP Sinha/Mills/FillInTheBlank that describes this phenomena.

My favorite is KP Sinha’s because there is no new physics.
A model for enhanced fusion reaction in a solid matrix of metal deuterides
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:14:09 PM · by Kevmo · 35 replies
International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008 ^ | July 2008 | K P Sinha


39 posted on 06/23/2011 1:55:04 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: DannyTN

I think that would be Ampenergo.


40 posted on 06/23/2011 1:57:01 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (For by grace are you saved through faith.)
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