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Confederates on the Rhine
The Atlantic ^ | June 2, 2011 | Yoni Appelbaum

Posted on 06/05/2011 7:35:01 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin

Confederates on the Rhine By Yoni Appelbaum

Jun 2 2011, 10:05 AM ET 110

Why are so many Germans participating in Civil War reenactments—and siding with the South?

"On a warm spring morning about 50 miles north of Berlin, Union troops and their Confederate rivals prepare for battle." That's the attention-grabbing lede of a PRI story on the bizarre phenomenon of Germans reenacting the American Civil War. The reporter explains that many participants feel "a personal connection to the war," and that everyone with whom she spoke took care to note that 200,000 Germans had taken part in the fight:

After World War II, any talk of military glory became socially taboo here...So for those at the reenactment, it is appealing that the U.S. Civil War took place in another country, in another time. It is safer, even romantic.

But the two parties to the fraternal conflict exert unequal appeal. When Germans gather at the reenactments, "more people want to be on the Confederate side." That produces a surreal spectacle. Germans marching about in butternut and gray, pretending to dwell in Dixie. With Teutonic precision, they have replicated every detail, down to the brass buttons and the brightly colored piping on their trousers.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: confederacy; germany
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Interesting - I had no idea Germans were interested in the Civil War
1 posted on 06/05/2011 7:35:09 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: Arec Barrwin

Ve Fight mit Sigel!


2 posted on 06/05/2011 7:40:19 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The storm clouds of war are on the horizon, 1939 is again approaching us.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

The French are too.

My family are reenactors and we met a group from France who were here to attend an event.


4 posted on 06/05/2011 7:44:14 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Sounds like a good exercise for Europe. But I think it’s emulating the wrong American war. The Germans should turn it back about a hundred years.


5 posted on 06/05/2011 7:44:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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"Interesting - I had no idea Germans were interested in the Civil War"

That's news to me too.

Funny how recently my daughter and I were watching a Civil War documentary, and she referred to the Confederates as "our side". Being from VA, I was kinda proud of her.

6 posted on 06/05/2011 7:45:32 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Arec Barrwin

btt


7 posted on 06/05/2011 7:48:40 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Arec Barrwin

Neither did I. But I’m not surprised. Nor am I surprised that they tend to choose the Confederate side.

The American Army that kicked their collective butts in two World Wars is, after all a direct descendant of the Union Army, so reenacting from the Union side would be uncomfortably like treason. Also, there is a certain wry fellowship among losers, although it is seldom expressed as such.

In any case, I don’t think that it needs to be taken that seriously. It’s just a bunch of overgrown kids playing in the wilderness. No need to get all psychological about it.


8 posted on 06/05/2011 7:49:16 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: Arec Barrwin

They call it “das Amerikanisches Buergerkrieg”.

German gun magazines have always been huge about American military history. Heck, when I was a kid in the 1960’s, Germans were already dressing up like Indians and U.S. Cavalry.

Safer than dressing up like Waffen SS. (Sorry, couldn’t resist) But there’s a side of the German character that likes to remind America of its own Teutonic roots, which is undeniable and dates back to the Revolutionary War.

I’ll bet these modern German reenactors have already constructed ancestral geneologies of German immigrants who fought in the American Civil War.


9 posted on 06/05/2011 7:50:32 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: Arec Barrwin

Lol. That would be funny to see.


10 posted on 06/05/2011 7:51:03 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Arec Barrwin

just my “WAG”, but many people enjoy military history. the honor, courage, sacrifice, bravery, are appealing across national lines.

the Germans, are “discouraged” from celebrating their own military history. not just WW2, but even WW1. so, where WOULD their military buffs go?

Civil War reenactments are some of the largest in the world. and as for why the South, that’s easy. The sterotypes of southern soldiers, even in “John Wayne” movies, shows great honor and courage even in a losing cause.
and it certainly strikes parallels to me, of the Prussian grey. Especially in things like Pickett’s Charge.

...and i also think this is more of the leftist propaganda about the Civil War was all about slavery. Even President Lincoln admitted that VERY clearly, in his (in)famous quote.

the Atlantic is wrong, when it implies the southern soldiers portrayed by the Germans were fighting for slavery.
Most were poor men, without slaves, who were fighting to defend their own land, and their own state.

frankly, i am mystified by this revisionist rewriting i’ve seen in the past decade or so, trying to make it ALL about slavery.

anyway, thanks for posting this, and letting me ramble.


11 posted on 06/05/2011 7:51:14 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Don’t worry we will have a fresh CW for them to recreate very soon...


12 posted on 06/05/2011 7:54:06 PM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: Ronin
You are correct about not assigning to much deep significance to this. The CSA does seem to be enjoying a boomlet in Western Europe. Mostly from cultural conservative types who can't appear in uniforms or traditional costume for political reasons. In the last year ‘Confederate Veteran’ the SCV magazine ran a pretty lengthy article about a joint German-Polish ceremony rededicating the tomb of JEB Stuart's giant German pal Heros von Borke who was a Prussian officer who served in the Confederate cavalry for a couple years. The Von Borke estate was in the part of Germany assigned to Poland at Yalta and the chapel is a ruin and the tombs have been deliberately damaged. This group of well dressed Poles and Germans seemed as interested in invoking ‘German-Polish friendship’ (vs Russia perhaps) as in commemorating von Borke, although they made lengthy speeches about his sterling virtues and heroic persona also.
13 posted on 06/05/2011 7:57:12 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Arec Barrwin

Can’t find the French group, but here’s an Italian one.
http://www.rievocazioni-guerra-civile.it/en/2.html


14 posted on 06/05/2011 7:57:38 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Ronin

Hmmm, don’t know about that. Today, more of our Army is made up of those from the South than any other region. I imagine that with the draft in WWII, it may have been more equal between the other regions of the country. Either way, it’s much “safer” for them to reenact someone else’s wars than their own.


15 posted on 06/05/2011 8:01:48 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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Why are so many Germans participating in Civil War reenactments?

Because no matter which side they're on, they get to fantasize about killing Americans.

16 posted on 06/05/2011 8:01:55 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: KoRn

Don’t let her watch the new History Channel “documentary” called “Gettysburg”.

She’ll pop an artery.


17 posted on 06/05/2011 8:05:14 PM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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trying to make it ALL about slavery

Yeah, I find that annoying. Most southern soldiers didn't even own slaves.

18 posted on 06/05/2011 8:07:27 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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more of our Army is made up of those from the South than any other region

You said it. So true.

19 posted on 06/05/2011 8:08:20 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Salamander

Hi Sal!


20 posted on 06/05/2011 8:09:03 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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