You mean, like this?
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You mean, like this?
mark
It would have been a whole lot more convenient if you had just posted a link to this book long article.
That way, others could have posted a response .. without having to scroll through the whole thing first.
That being said .. This guy is full of it!
Being former “special forces” myself and having been trained with one of the world’s finest search and destroy outfits .. There is Absolutely No scenario that I am aware of .. where a properly trained unit would have a need to unload 60+ rounds into one poor bass-turd!
Conspiracy to Commit Murder
Jesus Guerena now knows three people that have been killed in illegal home invasions.
Sounds to me like monumental incompetence.
Crimminaly so.
BFLR ...
Very fair and balanced assessment.....
What this ultimately points to is a badly managed department that sent an unqualified “team” in to execute a dubious warrant and that is now scrambling to cover their asses.
BTTT
Keystone Kops playing Storm Troopers.
I don't necessarily buy the idea that the wife saw her husband with a rifle before he was killed, if you look at the context where it is claimed she said that, there were other statements that prevent one from determining that’s just what she was saying.
The slimy lawyer's attempt to smear the guy “a piece of a law enforcement uniform” shows he thinks if he can manufacture enough stink that people will lose attention. Now they are telling us because once he was arrested but not charged, that's more evidence he was supposedly involved in illegal activity.
There are many other holes and problems with the police story.
thank you, for finding this article, and posting it.
i’ve been following this from the very beginning,
yet there were many things here, i had not heard before.
...and the 7 seconds from knock to kick, is not was reported elsewhere, but i would trust the author here.
and the point about the contrast between the bright sunlight, and the relative darkness of the interior of the house... there is no way they could have seen that he was pointing a rifle at him.
(aside from the fact, that the wife says he only had a “small gun”, the pistol, and she only saw the “big gun” when SWAT placed it next to her husband.)
This analysis proves my assertion that as America races to become a third world nation our SWAT teams are turning into death squads for the masses.
Good post.
A comment from below the article:
“Ex-LEO here, and one who served a full career from 1973 through 2003, encompassing the old “hat Squad” days to the present tactics.
Without going into a lengthy history, here’s what needs to be done. Anytime more than four officers go to a scene where they are going to use dynamic entry, and weapons other than sidearms are carried, the legal standard should REQUIRE a firm plan for force projection, and a complete AAR done IMMEDIATELY afterwards to detail how the plan was used, what force was used, etc.
If the PeeDees knew that EVERY time they used a SWAT dynamic entry, their ENTIRE deployment, from request through mop-up, was going to be a matter of IMMEDIATE public release, then I’m betting that SWAT wouldn’t be used one tenth as much as it is now.
For the record, in the Portland OR metro area, there are more SWAT call-outs in a normal week than there used to be in an entire year.
The police are NOT the military. They all ought to lose the Tommy Tactical uniforms with black-out insignia and go back to their traditional uniforms, their traditional car paint schemes, etc.
Any Officer or Deputy who wants to be Tommy Tactical should be given forms to apply for a Military Leave of Absence, and directed to the nearest recruiting station.
BTW, when I first swore in, the idea was “protect and serve, even if you had to lay down your life doing it” Today’s idea is “whatever you do, you go home to Mama when the shift is over” That incomprehensible change is what has driven all this SWAT over-use and most of the rest of the Tommy Tactical crap, because the public must never be allowed to get the idea that the cops won’t ever CONFRONT a danger situation with the odds not on their side.
BTW2, the usual way to serve a dangerous warrant in 1973 was one or two detectives, and MAYBE one patrol officer. We used our BRAINS to get the better of the bad guys then, not our boots and machine-guns.
Posted by: Rivrdog at May 31, 2011 04:41 PM”
Frustrating read - an opinion based on the unnecessary, idiotic circumstances of that Marine’s death, not the length of the article. Thank you for posting the whole shebang, marktwain.
It must be amusing to get schooled on FR netiquette by a noob who’s too lazy to scroll past a long article, yet too stoopit to maintain silence regarding same.
Thanks for the post - a clear and thoughtful explanation. And no, it’s not too long.
