Posted on 04/18/2011 7:24:39 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Not the only veto she issued tonight, either. She also rejected a bill that would have allowed people to carry guns on state college campuses on grounds that it was “poorly written.” Not a total surprise given the political climate in the state after Gabby Giffords’s shooting, but a mild surprise given the grassroots conservative cred Brewer built for herself by championing Arizona’s immigration law.
This one’s a genuine surprise, though.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill to require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names can appear on the state’s ballot…
“I do not support designating one person [i.e. the secretary of state] as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions,” said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.
“In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal circumcision certificates’ among other records to the Arizona secretary of state,” she said. “This is a bridge too far.
I’m guessing there’s some local political angle that explains this, but I can’t figure out what it is and some furious googling reveals nothing. Any Arizonans willing and able to explain? She just started her new term so electoral politics is immaterial. Is there some core agenda item that she needs Democratic help to pass? Or is she trying to build goodwill with Obama for better cooperation on immigration? Or, just maybe, did she genuinely believe that the bill was stupid and embarrassing to Arizona? All theories welcome.
Really? I can get a passport if I swear my documents are authentic and valid? LOL
No, her justification doesn’t make sense, because any legal resident was given standing in this bill to challenge the SOS decision in court. Vetoing the bill was the only sure way to make sure that a SOS COULD be a political hack without the people being able to hold him/her accountable to state law or the Constitution.
Her “justification” for vetoing it is actually the reason she should have signed it.
See my post #43. FYI: I have issued US passports. You can swear all you want, but you better have the documents to back it up.
It doesn’t make sense. And particularly because this bill created FOUR gates as opposed to the one (SOS) right now. This bill creates the gate of the SOS, any person who wishes to challenge the SOS’s decision, state court, and the Supreme Court.
So because she thinks we shouldn’t have just one gatekeeper she vetoed the bill that would have created FOUR gatekeepers and leaves it so that there is..... one gatekeeper, who cannot be held accountable.
Her reason makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Either she is BSing big-time, playing CYA for her own self or Obama, or else she is just plain morbidly stupid.
From House Bill 2177.....
B. THE AFFIDAVIT PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION A SHALL INCLUDE REFERENCES 21 TO AND ATTACHMENT OF ALL OF THE FOLLOWING, WHICH SHALL BE SWORN TO UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY:
1. A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST THE DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH, THE NAMES OF THE HOSPITAL AND THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, IF APPLICABLE, AND SIGNATURES OF ANY WITNESSES IN ATTENDANCE.
IF THE CANDIDATE DOES NOT POSSESS A LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS REQUIRED BY THIS PARAGRAPH, THE CANDIDATE MAY ATTACH TWO OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS THAT SHALL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE IF THE CANDIDATE SWEARS TO THEIR AUTHENTICITY AND VALIDITY AND THE DOCUMENTS CONTAIN ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO DETERMINE IF THE CANDIDATE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED IN ARTICLE II, SECTION 1, CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES:
(a) EARLY BAPTISMAL OR CIRCUMCISION CERTIFICATE.
(b) HOSPITAL BIRTH RECORD.
(c) POSTPARTUM MEDICAL RECORD FOR THE MOTHER OR CHILD SIGNED BY THE DOCTOR OR MIDWIFE OR THE PERSON WHO DELIVERED OR EXAMINED THE CHILD AFTER BIRTH.
(d) EARLY CENSUS RECORD.
2. A SWORN STATEMENT OR FORM THAT IDENTIFIES THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S PLACES OF RESIDENCE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR FOURTEEN YEARS.
C. IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBSECTION B, THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE MAY ALSO SUBMIT A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT FROM TWO OR MORE PERSONS WHO WITNESSED THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S BIRTH.
Of course 0baMao would never falsely swear to the authenticity and validity of his documents but what if some future candidate did? /s
I would bet a lot of money that John McCain was involved in this decision. And surely, the GOP establishment does not want the BC issue raised in any context.
Exactly right. Good for Brewer. Hope she can line up her wobbly Republican politicians.
The AZ eligibility bill as written is worthless and actually counterproductive. It is ludicrous to believe any responsible state would refer to NBC and then specify easily fabricated home birth documents in lieu of a traditional BC and at the same time make no mention of the parents or their citizenship.
The current improper legal view taken by bureaucrats of the 14th A has taken a firm grip in some of the liberal branches of our government and politicians fear to correct it. Now, even a state that requires only a long form BC is opening the doors to anchor baby candidates.
Some do not believe there is an effort afoot to “remake” America and most politicians who do, lack the courage to do anything about it.
Maybe she’s just thinking ahead. The Republicans won’t always be in power in Arizona. Would it really be wise to let some partisan leftist hack decide who the candidate should be?
Besides, there are plenty of people on the conservative side that don’t buy into the birther theories. That doesn’t mean she was “gotten to”. If they were going to “get to” her why wouldn’t they also do so over the border?
Whether you support the movement to get Obama to show his long form (I’m one who does), thinking someone was “gotten to” is the kind of thing I expect to see on DU or Alex Jones. Not FR.
Cindie
That was the first major flaw I saw in it. This bill would just set in law a degraded standard for being a NBC and that would complicate future efforts to clarify it.
No, it doesn’t. The only part of this bill that matters is the part that allows any legal resident, including the members of AZ’s legislature, to challenge in court any eligibility decision the SOS makes. That ability to challenge in court would allow subpoenas for all the critical birth and citizenship documents as well as the transaction logs and complete vital records history that would reveal any tampering with the records. It would also allow the NBC issue to be argued and decided in court.
All we really need is for one judge to say that eligibility is actually SOMEBODY’s business. This bill would make it EVERYBODY’s business.
This is a good bill. Brewer’s excuse to veto it makes no sense whatsoever. I call bullcrap.
this one has teeth
Can’t explain. Was a surprise to me. I thought she’d just let it become law without her signature.
“I am confused.”
You are not confused. This is Jan Brewer’s imitation of the “it’s all been twittered” judge.
It’s gobbly-gook. It’s legally non-nonsensical. It just serves to protect Obama, herself (as former SOS in 2008), and to make sure citizens never have standing to challenge Obama on eligiblity.
Obama has a long form birth certificate if you believe the word of Hawaii government officials
Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims
located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.
Can you imagine the public reaction if Obama said he doesn't possess the long form of his birth certificate? This law was written for all candidates, not just Obama. There is nothing wrong with the language. Brewer is part of the problem. She should be recalled.
She was very good in helping get the Voter ID (when voting) passed. This is a mystery.
I’m wondering if Barry’s BC isn’t a double edged sword, but some of the Pubbies can’t figure out which end is sharper.
Perhaps Barry was born in HI, but with a different daddy, an American citizen daddy. Barry could whip it out, BUT, his fairytale of Barack Obama Jr. is out the window and his LIES ever more so exposed.
What is it that he has on the Clintons that they can’t make a “public move” on Barry’s fake life?
The public comments made about this bill are so inaccurate that people think it does something totally opposite of what it actually does. Brewer’s comments make me wonder if she’s actually even READ the bill.
The bill actually makes FOUR gatekeepers rather than the one now: the SOS, any legal resident who challenges the SOS decision, state court, and the US Supreme Court.
The whole thing that Brewer says about not wanting there to be just one gatekeeper is sheer bunk. That is the way it is now, and it is the way it will stay because she vetoed this (unless the legislature overrides it). The bill itself would actually have created accountability for the SOS and made sure that the SOS could NOT be a political hack.
Everything they are saying about this bill is the opposite of what the bill actually is. This is so unbelievable.
Of course no candidate, especially 0bungle, would ever falsely swear to that! /s LOL
You're flopping around like a fish on the dock, kabar.
Where and why the surprise. I read last Friday as soon as the bill passed the AZ legislature that she had reservations and would likely veto the bill which IIRC is veto proof in any case.
Do you think that Obama possesses the long form of his birth certificate? It certainly exists if you believe the government of Hawaii.
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