Posted on 04/15/2011 6:53:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
Over my 45+ years in the business community, both domestic and international, I have dealt with an overwhelming variety of people of all races and political philosophies. Men and women who were thoroughly honest and many who had no concept of honor and integrity. Among them were those who would do or say anything to achieve their ends and do so with a straight face and an air of self-confidence that would deceive the most gullible. It is only through painful experience that one is finally able to develop an antenna to quickly weed out those charlatans.
While I have always been wary of and have written about his dishonesty, after the speech the president delivered the 13th of April regarding the federal budget, one that was chock full of lies, deceit, and crass fear-mongering, it must be said that Barack Obama is the most dishonest, deceitful, and mendacious person in a position of power I have ever witnessed.
That performance was the culmination of four years of outright lies and narcissism that have been largely ignored by the media, including some in the conservative press and political class who are loath to call Mr. Obama what he is in the bluntest of terms: a liar and a fraud. That he relies on his skin color to intimidate, either outright or by insinuation, those who oppose his radical agenda only adds to his audacity. It is apparent that he has gotten away with his character flaws his entire life, aided and abetted by the sycophants around him, thus he is who he is and cannot change.
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Have you ever actually been around a sociopath or a pathological liar? I have. Neither is too strong a term to use to describe Barry Steven Dunham; both are far, FAR too weak.
I speak from experience. That’s the difference.
Yes.
Is that what you believe our Founders intended?
Yes, as the common law definition of "natural born citizen" included children of aliens living in amity and under the jurisdiction of the local sovereign.
What do you think the purpose of the "natural born citizen" clause was?
To ensure that a naturalized citizen would not become president.
If you think about why the Founders would care, it might occur to you that they would care if a person had a non-citizen parent. Being a candidate for President is not an entitlement and is not a right of all citizens.
Qualification is subject to serious concerns about the loyalties of the candidate. Are you not concerned about the loyalties of a person who has a non-citizen parent?
Obama's father was a non-citizen. When Obama was removed from the U.S., was he still subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. or could that jurisdiction have been questioned by other nations, such as Kenya or Great Britain? The Fourteenth Amendment recognized that simply being born in the U.S. was not sufficient to ensure citizenship.
The "natural born citizen" clause recognized that simply being a citizen is not sufficient to qualify one for the Presidency.
Perhaps, but it turns out they did not. If they had cared, they would have used different language, as the common law definition of "natural born citizen" at the time simply meant (and continues to mean) citizen at birth, which includes people born on US soil to alien parents living under US jurisdiction in amity with the US government.
Are you not concerned about the loyalties of a person who has a non-citizen parent?
No. Some of the most patriotic people I have known did not have US citizen parents.
Obama's father was a non-citizen. When Obama was removed from the U.S., was he still subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. or could that jurisdiction have been questioned by other nations, such as Kenya or Great Britain?
Obama, like all US citizen who travel abroad (save diplomats), fell under foreign jurisdiction when he traveled and lived abroad as a child.
The "natural born citizen" clause recognized that simply being a citizen is not sufficient to qualify one for the Presidency.
I agree. It restricts the presidency to people who were citizens from birth, thereby excluding naturalized citizens.
There are only two kinds of citizen: naturalized and natural born. Birthers want to create a third category that never existed.
I looked into the matter and apparently you are correct. English common law seems to be consistent with what you describe; that is, naturalized or natural born.
Obama, having been born in Hawaii under US jurisdicition, is manifestly eligible for the office he occupies, to which he was elected in a legal, free and fair election. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You are the conspirator. You have no certified evidence that Obama was born in the U.S., is a natural born citizen, or even a citizen. None!
Fact: The only evidence available to you are Internet images of dubious origin, highly massaged statements from Fukino that resolve nothing, and hearsay from Lingle and Abercrombie.
Fact: It is irrational for anyone to spend tax dollars and personal money to hide common documents.
Fact: It is rational therefore for those defending Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution to be suspicious and have doubts concerning Obama’s natural born status.
Fact: It is rational to request certifiable evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen.
Finally: This is not about getting rid of Obama. If he is a natural born citizen he has every constitutional right to occupy the White House. Personally, I would not support any effort to impeach him.
No, that's not a fact. There is nothing dubious about the images, and statements from Fukino were explicit, not massaged, clearly stating, in no uncertain terms, that Obama was born in Hawaii. In addition to that, we have the corroborating and verifiable evidence of the birth announcements.
Fact: It is irrational for anyone to spend tax dollars and personal money to hide common documents.
Ture, but it's also a fact that Obama hasn't spent money to hide documents.
Fact: It is rational therefore for those defending Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution to be suspicious and have doubts concerning Obama’s natural born status.
No it's not, considering all the evidence pointing to birth in Hawaii.
Fact: It is rational to request certifiable evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen.
We have photographs of such certifiable evidence. Short of mailing a personal copy of the document to you, how else would you have him present the evidence?
Short of mailing a personal copy of the document to you, how else would you have him present the evidence?
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GOOD IDEA! YES!
How about a certified copy of the long form birth certificate from Hawaii to anyone who requests it and will pay a reasonable handling fee for it!
Ditto for all the other records.
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