HONOLULU ADVERTISER, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16 - LOOKS LIKE DATES RANGE FROM APRIL 4 TO APRIL 9...
Posted on 04/04/2011 2:01:03 PM PDT by RobinMasters
WHAT WILL HE SAY NOW?
Last week in an on-air debate with Donald Trump, Bill O’Reilly based his entire case for Obama’s supposed Hawaii birth on newspaper birth announcements.
With new information emerging now, O’Reilly may be interested to learn that the announcement images that were posted online cannot be from the microfilms we were told they were from. This article documents that the stories we were told were a well-orchestrated lie, which raises serious questions about the microfilms O’Reilly says he has found, since those lies back in 2008 would not have been necessary if the microfilms O’Reilly relies on today had actually been in the libraries in 2008.
Who orchestrated those lies in July of 2008, and why? O’Reilly might want to send his investigators out to find the answers to those questions, since it is his credibility – not Trump’s – which is on the line now.
Sorry to make you click an extra time, but the only way I know to post the images effectively is in a PDF :
Attention Bill O’Reilly – The Rest of the Story
(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...
Bumping this thread. My hair is curling from all the intrigue. Strange about the two death announcements, though a death from cancer does not sound suspicious. Still, this is weird.
Lorenda Starfelt has a wiki page; she was quite an accomplished film producer, working with her husband Brad Mays.
One of their projects was a documentary film [which also has a wiki page], “The Audacity of Democracy”, “..an in-depth look at the P.U.M.A. movement in general and one of its most controversial leaders, Darragh Murphy, in particular.”
In the docu. blurb is this interesting bit: “Brad Mays quickly came under fire from various online pro-Obama blogs, citing conflict-of-interest due to the production having been financed by PUMA-Pac itself. A vociferously anti-PUMA site called StupidPumas posted a page entitled ‘Stupid Brad Mays’, criticizing the filmmaker for not doing proper investigative work on the PUMA movement. Mays acknowledged these concerns, while maintaining that the film would be an objective account of what he saw and heard during the Democratic primary. About a week before the Democratic convention in Denver, ALL OF MAYS’ CAMERA EQUIPMENT WAS STOLEN WHILE EN ROUTE TO CHICAGO. Although most of the gear was EVENTUALLY replaced, the crucial Chicago shoot was seriously compromised.”
AND: “Citing alleged electoral malfeasance including caucus fraud on the part of rival candidate Barack Obama’s juggernaut campaign, PUMA attempted, without success, to secure the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination for their candidate of choice, Senator and former First Lady Hillary Clinton.”
Starfelt and Trump certainly shared gung-ho for Hillary sentiments, didn’t they? Given the woman’s professional history and pro-Hillary activism, it seems plausible that she and Trump might not have been strangers. IF they knew each other, and IF she was working through investigation [for Trump?] to expose Obama, the possibility that Trump is being a stalking horse for Hillary gains credibility.
Could somebody listen to the Jan 30, 2011 interview of Lori and her husband, at http://www.latalkradio.com/Priscilla.php ? I have to have my computer in safe mode and that doesn’t allow my speakers to work.
The Wikipedia page says:
“In a 2011 web radio interview with Priscilla Leona, [16] Ms. Starfelt discussed a new comedy web series, Customer Diss-Service, that she and her husband Brad Mays were currently engaged in. Stressing the need for strong scripts and experienced, well-trained actors, she asserted that working within small budgets enables creative freedom, thus affording experienced artists a change to present their work in a completely unfettered form. [17] Starfelt also discussed a number of new projects in the works, including the musical feature film Beginnging Blue, which she co-wrote, and the Los Angeles premiere of Doraine Perez’s dramatic fantasia Anais Nin: Woman Of The Dream, which she is producing for the Los Angeles stage.”
That interview was 6 weeks before she allegedly died of uterine cancer that she had known about since September, which spread to her liver. I know this is outside my experience, but this just seems really bizarre to me. Any talk in the interview about her health condition?
No, sorry...I only saved the comments that related to the birth announcements I posted yesterday.
because I love you so much, I am attempting to listen. This host’s voice and blathering is like nails on a chalkboard. 6 mins in, she is still blathering about other things. No guests yet. I will see how long I last.
The Lord bless you for at least trying. That’s how I felt about reading Obama’s book too - and I was just skimming to find particular information.
Let me know if I can return the favor. =)
Holy heck, she is like Joanne Worley on crack!!! I can barely stand her. When she laughs, my hair starts falling out and the windows crack.
After 11 mins she has introduced her guests. Will she ever shut up and let them talk? No mention of illness so far.
OK, she - Starwoman - forgot her name - is talking now. Sounds strong in voice and confident. Talking about staging a play in LA, moving forward. Very sad. It does not sound at all like she thought she only had 6 weeks left.
Something still bothers me about the entire sequence, let me try to tell you why...
The assertion by ‘Lori Starfelt’ on the texasdarlin blog - that the birth announcements were published as the result of a list provided by VITAL STATS we now know was BUNKUM.
That assertion was the FIRST TIME I ran across that piece of information...which was ESSENTIAL to the obama camp. It did NOTHING to help the Hillary cause, and the PUMA girls were FOR HILLARY.
Why on earth would a Hillary supporter ESTABLISH the very idea that ultimately led people to BELIEVE that because there was A LIST, the announcements HAD TO BE GENUINE?
AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE US TO WAKE UP THAT THE HAWAII NEWSPAPERS NEVER PUBLISHED ALL OF THE SIXTEEN THOUSAND PLUS BIRTHS FROM 1961?
SEE PAGE 43:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf
And that ‘Lori Starfelt’ spread a lie right from the beginning. Is it possible someone else used her name. Maybe we should ask her husband?
Well, I think I’m going to bow out of listening to her, anyway.
I’m almost halfway through, and there is no evidence from either Starfelt or her husband that she is ill. Both are talking with great passion and interest about their upcoming production. You would never know she was about to die.
By the way, what is this crappy play they are producing?? They are describing it as a dangerous drama about the Palestinian and Israeli situation, with no bias or position. That means it’s probably anti-Israel.
Yet what 'Lori Starfelt' posted on texasdarlin DID NOTHING toward the PUMA cause. All THAT did was establish the MYTH that the announcements were published as a result of a LIST - which gave legitimacy to the announcements SENT TO HER BY E-MAIL from Hawaii.
And after that, the LIE went around the world, into the head of Bill O'Reilly and out his mouth!
READ WHAT SHE WROTE:
“...What you know is that Texas Darlin’ has received an email forwarded from the Hawaii State Library that is a a clipping from the Honolulu Advertiser’s Sunday August 13th, 1961 edition that proves the Department of Vital Records provided a list of births for the previous week that included Barack Obama – that’s what you know.
You’re not taking my word for it. You’re taking TD’s word for it. I have given her the name and number of the librarian I spoke with and she has the forwarded email. You, yourself, are free to call either Vital Records or the Honolulu Advertiser and ask questions about how birth certificates and birth announcements were handled in 1961...”
NOW TELL ME - IS THE ABOVE TRUE OR NOT? WERE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS PUBLISHED AS THE RESULT OF A LIST?
Just to see if it were possible that all births for the year were published in newspapers, I divided 16,000 by 365 days and got a number between 43 and 44.
How does that compare to a day’s published announcements in any of the examples you’ve seen? Do any of them have a list that is that long or longer?
Joanne Worley on crack is a very good description of that host’s voice; she surely must be related to some bigwig at the station to have gotten the job.
I agree with Yaelle that there’s nothing in her voice or manner that even hints of illness. Very positive, and excited about their current projects, including a play called “The Prophecy” [”...deals with tensions between Israel and Palestinians...”]
In discussing the play “The Prophecy” Starfelt started out with: “Well, it was an exchange I began on a political website with a political blogger by the name of David Swanson, who writes about peace issues, and he wrote about “Prophecy”, and he was looking for somebody who could stage it in Washington, DC, and I wrote and I said I’m not in Washington, DC, but I’m in Los Angeles, my husband is a - you know - an established director, and I’d ceretainly be interested in taking a look at this, and so he sent the play over.”
Starfelt and her husband, Brad Mays, were really impressed with the play - much jabbering about it, the author [Karen Malpede (?)] and Malpede’s husband/wonderful, wonderful actor George - something - name Starfelt couldn’t remember.
A really striking portion of Starfelt’s talking was when she was relating how she and Brad met with the author and husband, and...”We had a real meeting of the minds, and we decided - you know, the only kind of art that I’m interested in persuing is art that I can sink my teeth into and just persue with all the heart, and soul, and ambition, and drive that I’ve got. I don’t ever want to have...I don’t EVER want to have hesitations about a project that I’m associated with, you know... I just want to feel good, good, good. I want to be able to pitch it to anybody, you know? And when we read the play, it was clearly a play that functioned at that kind of level.”
“And so, you know, Brad, Karen, George, and I got together and the meeting went great - we were each who the other was hoping we’d be, and so we decided to move forward on production. We had our first table read a couple of weeks ago, and that went pretty well. We haven’t finished casting or anything like that, but, you know, we’re on to the next stage of production and Brad is talking to production designers and costumers and all that kind of thing.”
This sounded like someone on top of her game, raring to go; not like someone short weeks away from a cancer death.
I’m wondering if anything interesting might turn up with the “David Swanson” political blogger. Perhaps she posted comments there - wherever ‘there’ is.
Better to ask butterdezillion, I am under the impression that birth announcements in 1961 were NOT published DAILY.
CURRENT INFORMATION:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/current/oh/births
READER SERVICES
Submit a birth announcement
Aloha and congratulations on your new arrival!
The Honolulu Advertiser invites you to announce the birth of your new baby in the Island Life section of the Sunday newspaper and on our Web site.
You can mail your announcement to The Advertiser via one of the addresses below or fax it to 535-8170. Feel free to attach additional pages or a copy of an invitation. No street addresses or telephone numbers will be published or given out; they are requested for verification purposes only.
IMPORTANT: You must attach a photocopy of your baby’s official state-issued birth certificate; we cannot print your announcement without it.
You can also submit your celebration announcement using our online form.
The Advertiser publishes announcements up to six months after the baby’s birth. Only parents named on the birth certificate can be mentioned. At least one parent must be a current or former Hawai’i resident or Hawai’i-stationed military member.
Here’s the legal stuff: All submissions may be edited for length, accuracy and clarity. By submitting a photograph and/or announcement information, you grant The Honolulu Advertiser the right to publish, distribute, archive and otherwise use the photograph and information, in whole or in part, in print, electronic or any other media and for promotional purposes related to The Advertiser’s products and services. In addition, you represent that you have the right to authorize The Advertiser to use the photograph and information submitted.
HONOLULU ADVERTISER, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16 - LOOKS LIKE DATES RANGE FROM APRIL 4 TO APRIL 9...
OK. Since I own two months worth of these announcements I can tell you that they were not publishing birth announcements daily. On average I would say the announcements were printed four days a week. Sometimes there were just a couple of them. Every once in a while a big list would go in, a hundred or so names, with a lot of addresses on the other islands.
The papers did not print the same names/same lists/whatever, in order a day or two apart like the lists that have obama’s name. In the two month range I have that’s the only time I found that to have happened. In fact the same names were not always printed in both papers.
SO - THE NAMES DID NOT AUTOMATICALLY GET PRINTED IN BOTH PAPERS.
And FredN - yes that is a copy of the Nordyke announcement I published, mine was cropped, and I can’t recall why - LOL, I don’t even know how I got the thing up on my blog back then, but I suspect I had the help of one of my kids. The copy was given to me by “Citizen Investigator” to post on my blog.
SO - THE NAMES DID NOT AUTOMATICALLY GET PRINTED IN BOTH PAPERS.
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AND THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE NOT ALL PARENTS WANTED THEIR BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS IN BOTH PAPERS! AND THERE NEVER WAS SUCH A THING AS A VITAL STATS LIST!
SO WHO-EVER 'LORI STARFELT' WAS, THAT STARTED THE LIE!
“...What you know is that Texas Darlin’ has received an email forwarded from the Hawaii State Library that is a a clipping from the Honolulu Advertiser’s Sunday August 13th, 1961 edition that proves the Department of Vital Records provided a list of births for the previous week that included Barack Obama – that’s what you know.
AND I'M SAYING ... THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE! THERE WAS NO LIST!
Wish I knew, Fred! As far as I recall, I’ve not ever seen the name “Lori Starfelt” before today, so am just kind of standing here in the rain wondering what it’s all about. Was she the origin of the Barry-birth newspaper announcements?
I remember there was a Texas Darlin’ blog that just disappeared quite some time ago; I had visited there occasionally, and printed out some articles by a commentor named Dr. Kate, who was pretty sharp as I recall. Anything printed from that site is in a box here, somewhere. 2008 [?] time frame gives me a vague idea where to start, but there are about 35 printer paper boxes of articles and blog postings/comments from 2004 and forward to today. *sigh*
Glad to be of whatever help I can be, though!
Do you suppose Lori Starfelt IS Bill O’Reilly? :)
Listen Fred, I was making a point. The papers didn’t always print the same names, regardless of where the “lists” came from. I do know that I was asked if I wanted my sons announcement in the paper, while I was in the hospital signing the hospital paperwork. I said “yes”, and it went in. I didn’t call the paper.
My belief, based on personal experience and the input of many women,is that the “lists” were put out by the Vital Stats Dept. AND a person could call in to have an announcement placed. As long as the announcement was just the little one, name/address/gender/DOB, there was no charge. They knew whomever called to place it was likely to be buying up several papers, so it was like a courtesy thing. Especially back when.
GGMac, Lori Starfelt was indeed the origin of obama’s birth announcement “discovery”. She is apparently dead. I always thought her story was weird. Something about it just didn’t land butter side up.
Dr. Kate is still blogging. She’s very active and well respected.
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