Skip to comments.The Obama Birth Certificate Debate: Two columnists go head-to-head on the birther movement
Posted on 03/29/2011 8:53:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Both of these guys are idiots.
1) William - Good exposure of the facts
2) “DICK” - the name says it all
“If a right winger cant blubber on and on about how theyre being victimized, then theyve got no defense.”
D.E. (whoever it is) is a perfect example of the left “projecting” their beliefs and M.O. onto others.
Everyone KNOWS the left (progressives) are the ones crying victimization at the bat of an eyelash.
I think they’re scared...as well they SHOULD be.
Where do they contribute, the sperm bank, red cross?They haven't contributed much here.
DE: Typical liberal tactics. If you can’t win on the facts, distort, diffuse and resort to foul mouth name calling.
It’s real simple. Produce the document.. End of story.. There is no debate.
Ellis, typical liberal, has no defense so he starts out by calling people names and attempting to use sarcasm.
To be honest, I am shocked that a newspaper would print William’s comments. He seems to have a good grasp of what is going on and the fact that someone so level headed writes for a newspaper in California is shocking.
I hate the other gentleman’s comments, although with some of the language he used, “gentleman” is stretching it...
I give the newspaper a lot of credit for wanting to post both sides of the story and thank them for allowing us to look nice and normal, not crazy. :-)
It’s all a big game of Liar’s Dice, and the American People have called “BS” on the hand claimed...
But nobody will lift up the cup to see who has won.
“innocent until proven guilty”? No. Sorry. You run for POTUS you demonstrate to the American people you hold the qualifications for office listed in the Constitution.
Trump’s little display made it clear to even the MSM: a “certificate of live birth” is NOT a birth certificate.
Why the $2 million in legal expense to fight the American public from seeing a document it costs $39 bucks to obtain?
The best information about Chester A Arthur was that he was frequently a liar and worked hard to hide information. The facts were not found by the press of the day and many were distracted by claims he was really born in Canada.
I hadn't run across Charles Evans Hughes Sr at the time. I have read one site that suggests he was, without doubt, not qualified under jus sanguinis and that a Democrat, FDR's future Secretary of State Breckenridge Long, brought the issue forward at the time. Maybe Hughes was qualified, maybe he was not. It's less important since he was not elected president BUT that is was an issue then, makes it a legitimate issue now.
Neither answers the question of Obama's qualification or address his flippant unwillingness to release his long for birth certificate. I realize his action is purposeful, designed as a red herring and allow him to mock opponents.
It's a scandal the courts, the congress and state legislatures (via eligibility bills) have been unwilling to look at this issue. It's evident there is, as Al Gore once infamously said, "no controlling legal authority."
How is a certified copy of a birth certificate required for a driver's license or state ID card but, apparently, not to become POTUS? What are these legislators really afraid of? Even bills that would bypass the 2012 election, and therefore questions about Obama, are failing.
NE - LB 654 hearing held as of 3/10/11. HI - HB1116 Rida Cabanilla (D!) intro'd bill 1/11 to supply BC for "persons of civic prominence" upon request and $100 fee. MO - Failed in '09. Trying again, HB 283 hearing held as of 3/1/11. TX - HB 295 intro'd 11/10, in committee as of 2/15 TN - SB 1043 intro'd 1/11, in committee as of 2/23. OK - Failed in '08. SB91 advanced to House for consideration as of 3/14. To see the details, type SB91 in the "Measure Number" box on the Oklahoma Legislature Home Page Quick Search Form CT - SB 391 intro'd 1/11. In committee. IA - SF 369, intro'd 3/11. In committee. ME - LD34, Died in committee 3/3/11. GA - Failed in '10. (HB 1516). Failed in '11 (HB 401). MT - HB 205 intro'd 1/11. "Missed Deadline for General Bill Transmittal" AZ - Failed in '10 - passed house, senate refused to vote. Tried in 2/11, died in senate committee. IN - Intro'd 1/11. Died in committee. NH - Intro'd 3/11. Died in committee.
Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!
Why would you call the Birther arguments those of an idiot? They were stated more intelligently than I have ever heard them
Since you agree with Darth I will ask you too ...why do you call the birther arguments here those of an idiot?
It’s a shame the “argument” most frequently presented is, “Oh all that’s been settled. Move on.”
Trump as recently as yesterday was called out by leftist media (Time, etc.) for even thinking of running for president showing only his Certificate of Live Birth — and that’s all we’ve ever seen from Obama.
But in the same articles those JounaLists suggest the Obama issue has been settled.
When? He’s never shown it. Lawsuits are pending. Nobody has standing, the courts have said delaying it, and we have a fraud as POTUS.
God bless Donald Trump! Never thought I’d say that..
On July 28, 2009, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement saying, “I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”
So... show it! If it exists, let’s see it. Also, if the reason it can’t be subject to a public records request is the information contained is private, didn’t this records keeper violate the duty to keep the information confidential by making this statement?
Also, speaker confuses “native born” (anchor baby) with “natural born” (both parents U.S. citizens). The statement is false on its face as nobody disputes Zero’s daddy was a British colonial subject.
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