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The Obama Birth Certificate Debate: Two columnists go head-to-head on the birther movement
San ^ | March 28, 2011 | William Lolli and Dick Ellis

Posted on 03/29/2011 8:53:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: woofie

I’ve already answered you privately, but for the general posting, the answer is YES

21 posted on 03/30/2011 12:51:18 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the baseless and evidence-free birther and death panel conspiracies on one hand, to the dismissal of the mountains of evidence and scientific consensus concerning anthropomorphic global warming and evolutionary biology on the other.

The writer of the above sentence lacks education or intelligence. He or she should be talking about anthropogenic global warming (AGW).

With the exception of the first writer, I was not impressed with the statements and comments on the "birther" issue. Generally there is a lack of common sense and too many unsupported assertions about the people with unanswered questions.

Such a dearth of knowledge about a sitting president is unprecedented!

There are lack of information and access to Mr. Obama's writings, his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, selective service registration records, social security number irregularities, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and adoption records.

This information lockout continues in his "transparent" presidency, with organization after organization having to sue under the FOI Act to get basic information about meetings, attendees, motives of people elected and appointed to govern us.

22 posted on 03/30/2011 2:07:49 AM PDT by olezip
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To: vette6387

I read it again and while DE comes off as an arrogant fool WL doesn’t sound bad to me at all.... so its hard for me to see what is causing people to slam both of the writers

23 posted on 03/30/2011 2:13:34 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Terry Mross
"Ellis, typical liberal, has no defense so he starts out by calling people names and attempting to use sarcasm."

You have correctly encapsulated the entire article in one sentence.

24 posted on 03/30/2011 2:37:20 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Question 5) How do you predict that the birth certificate topic will end?

Bammy and Co. have had plenty of time to cook up a good-enough forgery. If he is ever actually forced to show something, that’s what he’ll show. And most of the people, most of the time, will believe him.

25 posted on 03/30/2011 5:06:39 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: TigerClaws

It’s a shame the “argument” most frequently presented is, “Oh all that’s been settled. Move on.” ring a bell? A common tactic is to declare troublesome issues resolved The blue dress tripped up Clinton. The birth certificate will undo the Kenyan Impostor.

I am a birther.

26 posted on 03/30/2011 5:11:18 AM PDT by y6162
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The saying goes,” If the facts are against you, attack the law. If the law is against you, attack the facts. If the facts and the law are against you, attack the prosecutor.” Dick Ellis seems to be using a variation of this, not to mention he is also an off his rocker, mad dog, crazy, liberal, Obamanoid.

27 posted on 03/30/2011 5:27:24 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (“It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.” - David Hume)
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To: TigerClaws
...nobody disputes Zero’s daddy was a British colonial subject.

What if his real biological daddy was Frank Marshall Davis? No flame, please. I'm just asking.


28 posted on 03/30/2011 5:41:11 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Guy one tries to use facts and logic, fag two uses name calling and foul language, that low life caulk eater {much like this sentence}.

If I just want to stay with the facts #1 is an out right winner.

29 posted on 03/30/2011 5:53:15 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is legit? I ask because Dick Ellis (DE) is frothing at the potty mouth through-out it, so much so to be considered a over-the-top satire of the anti-birther opinions which are in fact almost completely name-calling.

30 posted on 03/30/2011 6:03:41 AM PDT by bvw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just retired after 22 years in the military. I’ve had to provide my BC numerous times. I plan on going to school so I filled out the FAFSA. I got a notice yesterday that I need to provide a copy of my BC to verify my citizenship! I also had to give the original as proof when I applied for my passport.

31 posted on 03/30/2011 6:11:30 AM PDT by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against thos against good government.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You quickly notice that the questions did not address the core issue about the birth certificate issue - does Obama have a certified birth certificate enabling him to be constitutionally qualified to be President?

In short, this article reflects the MSM and RINO approach to the issue - dance around the sidelines and never ever cut to the core issue.


IMHO, I think everyone on Obama’s side of the issue have realize, some from the very beginning, that the 44th President of the United States of America can well be the last President under the 1787 Constitution. He could also be the last Democratic Party President.

American has always sough a level playing field and prided ourselves in being a nation of laws. When (If?) this core value gets violated the resulting backlash will be disastrous for those who aided and abetted such an act.

We are, perhaps, seeing a massive conspiracy destined to keep the current elite in their bastions of power. A careful reading of world history from the 20th Century shows that their reaction to a crises has been unsuccessfully repeated on almost every content. Who says The US is exempt from this force?

32 posted on 03/30/2011 6:18:36 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: bvw
As far as I know it's a regular opinion piece in a local newspaper.
33 posted on 03/30/2011 7:04:11 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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34 posted on 03/30/2011 8:22:40 AM PDT by Marmolade
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Natural born citizen info:

Donald Trump can be contacted through the following:
for Trump posting and contact:

35 posted on 03/30/2011 9:33:31 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Marmolade; All
I liked the article because it shows who is full of hate. The left is always attributing hate as what comes from the RIGHT. However it pretty evident that it's the exact opposite.
36 posted on 03/30/2011 11:32:21 AM PDT by Coffee_drinker (The best defense is a strong preemptive strike.)
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To: patlin; 2ndDivisionVet

William Lolli cites Article II Section I on “natural born
citizen” but AFAICS doesn’t say that BHO is not one, given
his own statements.

37 posted on 03/30/2011 6:51:48 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: newzjunkey; 2ndDivisionVet

It just occurred to me that although birthplace (jus soli)
is indeed one part of the NBC requirment of Article II
Section 1, focusing on that alone might lead ppl to ignore
the other half, parents’ citizenship (jus sanguinis) this
could make ppl somehow think “anchor babies” etc are all

38 posted on 03/30/2011 6:55:18 PM PDT by cycjec
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