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Federal researchers declare eastern cougar extinct
Yahoo! News ^ | March 2, 2011 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM

Posted on 03/02/2011 6:40:18 PM PST by americanophile

ALLENTOWN, Pa. – The "ghost cat" is just that.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Wednesday declared the eastern cougar to be extinct, confirming a widely held belief among wildlife biologists that native populations of the big cat were wiped out by man a century ago.

After a lengthy review, federal officials concluded there are no breeding populations of cougars — also known as pumas, panthers, mountain lions and catamounts — in the eastern United States. Researchers believe the eastern cougar subspecies has probably been extinct since the 1930s.

Wednesday's declaration paves the way for the eastern cougar to be removed from the endangered species list, where it was placed in 1973. The agency's decision to declare the eastern cougar extinct does not affect the status of the Florida panther, another endangered wildcat.

Some hunters and outdoors enthusiasts have long insisted there's a small breeding population of eastern cougars, saying the secretive cats have simply eluded detection — hence the "ghost cat" moniker. The wildlife service said Wednesday it confirmed 108 sightings between 1900 and 2010, but that these animals either escaped or were released from captivity, or migrated from western states to the Midwest.

"The Fish and Wildlife Service fully believes that some people have seen cougars, and that was an important part of the review that we did," said Mark McCollough, an endangered species biologist who led the agency's eastern cougar study. "We went on to evaluate where these animals would be coming from."

A breeding population of eastern cougars would almost certainly have left evidence of its existence, he said. Cats would have been hit by cars or caught in traps, left tracks in the snow or turned up on any of the hundreds of thousands of trail cameras that dot Eastern forests.

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Alright, we've done it again, taken something beautiful and unique and wiped it out. What's next?
1 posted on 03/02/2011 6:40:24 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Please.

Cougars are a threat to children, livestock, and pet animals.

If you feel that way, join the Sierra Club.


2 posted on 03/02/2011 6:42:22 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: americanophile

OK where are the cougar jokes ?


3 posted on 03/02/2011 6:42:27 PM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: americanophile

It took a lot of hard work and not a little danger to get rid of these horrible predators over several hundred years. Job well done! Stay vigilant.


4 posted on 03/02/2011 6:44:41 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Col Frank Slade
Will this do?
5 posted on 03/02/2011 6:44:46 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: americanophile

This can’t be true. I thought there were still florida panthers left.


6 posted on 03/02/2011 6:44:49 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Col Frank Slade

7 posted on 03/02/2011 6:44:56 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: americanophile

The sub species known as Rinos?


8 posted on 03/02/2011 6:45:50 PM PST by bleach (Thanks to all you Vets!)
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To: americanophile

Oh no we love cougars!


9 posted on 03/02/2011 6:46:17 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: americanophile

what’s next....? Americans


10 posted on 03/02/2011 6:46:54 PM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I don’t know about you, but I’d like to see a few small fluffy dogs eaten by cougars...ok make that all of them.


11 posted on 03/02/2011 6:47:00 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: americanophile
It is inescapably obvious that the ancient burial temple at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey has NO large cats among it's 15,000 known carvings.

The cats are small ~ like domestic cats.

12,500 years ago humans already knew they didn't live well with large cats around and had DISPOSED of all the lions, tigers, dontinae (Felidae), Barbourofelidae (Feliformia), and Nimravidae (Feliformia) anywhere near them!

Still, one of the reasons for disposing of your dead on platforms where the buzzards consume their flesh is to avoid FEEDING LARGE CATS, LARGE BEARS, LARGE WOLVES, or any of those other nasty animals we just don't want to have around.

Like we say today "Don't Feed The Troll", back then they said "Don't Feed The Cats".

It is good that the Eastern Cougar is gone. If God wants there to be another large predator, He'll make one for us. Until then, let them be gone!

12 posted on 03/02/2011 6:49:30 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: americanophile

Are these people trying to say that having big predator cats prowling the streets and suburbs of say, Philadelphia, would be a ~good~ thing?


13 posted on 03/02/2011 6:49:39 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: americanophile

In Minnesota, wildlife “researchers” had declared the cougar to be extinct for decades if not a century of more. Despite reports of local folks up north and hunters, the DNR stuck to their story and sneered at the reports as nothing more than yokels telling boogerman stories in roadhouse bars.

Until somebody creamed one on a highway . . .

Then, of course, “science” was on the job detirmining what was going on. Meanwhile, the cats are all over - including at least one shooting of a aggressive cougar in suburan Bloomington still within the metropolitan area river system.

Wolves, too, are an example of ESA genuius run amok. The time has arrived for wolf bounties to be reintroduced and scores of former pet owners, livestock owners and dead and eaten people would agree. Deeper research into Cooper’s hawks, Spotted owls and many other ESA scams would benefit the reader as well.


14 posted on 03/02/2011 6:49:40 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Freedom4US

I’m torn on this. On the one hand, I’d kill any cougar that attacked me. But on the other hand, I’d like them to come back and harass all the anti gun creeps and others that think they are above using physical force.


15 posted on 03/02/2011 6:49:52 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: americanophile
The F&WS would be the last to know an eastern cougar from any other cougar. In fact it is highly doubtful there is a separate species at issue here in the first place.

This flunks the smell test big time for me, given the loose and promiscuous way the gubmint assholes use the term "extinct:" see the Endangered Species Act where it is formally defined.

"Extinct" does not mean what you think it means.

16 posted on 03/02/2011 6:49:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: americanophile

Those researchers haven’t met Lisa C., 46 of Milford, MA.


17 posted on 03/02/2011 6:49:59 PM PST by MissMack99 (Mitt Romney is a FRAUD, he RUINED Mass. Don't let him finish Obama's job.)
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To: mamelukesabre
This can’t be true. I thought there were still florida panthers left.

There are:

"The agency's decision to declare the eastern cougar extinct does not affect the status of the Florida panther, another endangered wildcat."

Some of them are in Alabama, as well.

18 posted on 03/02/2011 6:50:38 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: americanophile
WE are beautiful and unique.


19 posted on 03/02/2011 6:50:47 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: americanophile
Gimme a break.
They have been gone from the East for a century & that's mainly because they will hunt us and eat us.

That got them the survival of the fittest 2nd place award.
Were you to see such a creature in the wild you might think that it is beautiful & unique, buts that's the second to the last thing that you would have thought in life.

20 posted on 03/02/2011 6:51:35 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: americanophile
"we've"

We've weren't born a century ago. Bite me.


21 posted on 03/02/2011 6:52:10 PM PST by I see my hands (You can know the young posters by the desperate optimism in their posts.)
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To: muawiyah

12,500 years ago humans already knew they didn’t live well with large cats around and had DISPOSED of all the
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WRONG!

There were lions in europe during the time of the greeks and romans...middle east as well.


22 posted on 03/02/2011 6:52:34 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Neidermeyer

Those are no joke! :>)


23 posted on 03/02/2011 6:52:46 PM PST by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Same here in Michigan. The long dead kitties are being photographed on trail cams up north and there are increasing reports here in the south of the state.


24 posted on 03/02/2011 6:52:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: americanophile

Either Bush or Global Warming at fault. Still doing research to come up with the answer.


25 posted on 03/02/2011 6:53:32 PM PST by JPG (As WI goes, so goes the nation. Thank you, Gov Walker.)
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To: americanophile

We need to place some eastern cougars in Central Park, along with bears and wolves, so libs can experience them in person.


26 posted on 03/02/2011 6:53:41 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I do feel that way. I don’t want to live in a world devoid of all things beautiful, mysterious and yes, a little dangerous.


27 posted on 03/02/2011 6:54:37 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

I thought I saw a cougar near Baxley, GA several years ago. This was near the Altamaha River.

I had taken a hunter safety instructors course which included a presentation from a wildlife biologist. I talked to him later and he said there were no cougars in Mississippi. He also said they had around 50 alleged sightings every year.

When I phoned the local Georgia wildlife biologist, I told him I knew there were not supposed to be any left in that area and I was sure I was mistaken but I still wanted to report it.

He asked a bunch of questions and after we were through he said he would go out and check the place where I saw it. He said he too doubted it was a cougar but he said it was possible. My description of what it was doing and what it looked like were spot on according to him. He also said the place where I saw it was one of the few areas he could believe one lived if it had moved up from Florida.


28 posted on 03/02/2011 6:55:30 PM PST by yarddog
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To: americanophile

My dad swears he’s seen and heard panthers late at night in the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, back in the 50’s and 60’s. My uncles tell the same stories. There weren’t any deer there then, which the pumas might help explain. But now, there’s deer everywhere on my grandmother’s land. So, I don’t think there are any panthers around any more.


29 posted on 03/02/2011 6:55:47 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: I see my hands

...nice


30 posted on 03/02/2011 6:56:35 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

I guess they haven’t been to New Jersey


31 posted on 03/02/2011 6:56:43 PM PST by RDTF
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To: mamelukesabre
I don’t know about you, but I’d like to see a few small fluffy dogs eaten by cougars...ok make that all of them.

I'm with you, I hate the nasty little things.

And the owners don't even have the decency to leave them out at night so the coyotes can eat them.

32 posted on 03/02/2011 6:56:43 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: americanophile

Funny that they’re doing this just as reports of mountain lions have been popping up more and more in eastern states.

“Mountain lion confirmed in rural Greene County.” (IN)

http://naturalgeographic.net/?p=989

“Mountain Lion Spotted In Kernersville” (NC)

http://www.wxii12.com/video/26069853/detail.html


33 posted on 03/02/2011 6:56:48 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Relativism is the intellectual death knell of progressive ideology.)
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To: americanophile
Nicer than your bunk.

34 posted on 03/02/2011 6:57:53 PM PST by I see my hands (You can know the young posters by the desperate optimism in their posts.)
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To: mamelukesabre
But on the other hand, I’d like them to come back and harass all the anti gun creeps and others that think they are above using physical force.

ROFLOL! Your reasoning is the only logical one for saving the Cougar population in North America I've ever seen! Bring them back! It might mean the horrific end to one more smelly pacifist hippy!
35 posted on 03/02/2011 6:58:50 PM PST by Tailback
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To: americanophile

36 posted on 03/02/2011 6:59:04 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: reasonisfaith

The article seems to indicate that they’re western cougars.


37 posted on 03/02/2011 7:00:13 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: I see my hands

No, you’re rude. You can disagree without being a vulgar ass.


38 posted on 03/02/2011 7:00:46 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

That’s just not as fun.


39 posted on 03/02/2011 7:02:19 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

...and 6+ billion strong.


40 posted on 03/02/2011 7:02:22 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: Tailback
It might mean the horrific end to one more smelly pacifist hippy!

Doubt it. Big cats can't stand the smell of patchouli.

41 posted on 03/02/2011 7:03:24 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (I don't prep for the disaster. I prepare for the rebuilding.)
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To: americanophile
The wildlife service said Wednesday it confirmed 108 sightings between 1900 and 2010, but that these animals either escaped or were released from captivity, or migrated from western states to the Midwest. "The Fish and Wildlife Service fully believes that some people have seen cougars, and that was an important part of the review that we did," said Mark McCollough, an endangered species biologist who led the agency's eastern cougar study. "We went on to evaluate where these animals would be coming from."

Does this basically say that the only difference between an Eastern Cougar and any other kind of cougar is strictly one of location? What the heck kind of definition of "extinct" does the Fish and Wildlife Service have in their dictionary?

42 posted on 03/02/2011 7:03:53 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: mamelukesabre

True.


43 posted on 03/02/2011 7:04:01 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: Fido969

That pic is getting on my nerves.


44 posted on 03/02/2011 7:04:01 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: americanophile; RaceBannon; nutmeg; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; ...
Friend of friend sent me pics last year of a "cougar" (4 legged, not 2) on the back porch of a NE CT home. That kitty was BIG.

MEOW! I can haz nutmeg?

45 posted on 03/02/2011 7:04:20 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: americanophile

Probably whatever gets in the way.


46 posted on 03/02/2011 7:06:03 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

All none of them?


47 posted on 03/02/2011 7:06:44 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: I see my hands

According to this site, there are plenty of east coast cougars.

http://tinyurl.com/covbbv


48 posted on 03/02/2011 7:06:44 PM PST by petenmi
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To: muawiyah

...if God wants there to be terrorists, He’ll make them...


49 posted on 03/02/2011 7:08:52 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: americanophile

So why do we still see them in Georgia?


50 posted on 03/02/2011 7:08:53 PM PST by U S Army EOD
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