Skip to comments.Are you sick of highly paid teachers? (Vanity, propaganda)...shoot this bs down.
Posted on 02/20/2011 9:23:23 PM PST by Sonny M
Are you sick of highly paid teachers?
Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!
We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).
What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.
Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is!
The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!
Make a teacher smile; repost this to show appreciation for all educators.
Nice rant, though it comes off as just a bit shy of jealousy..
“In the past decade, LAUSD officials spent $3.5 million trying to fire just seven of the district’s 33,000 teachers for poor classroom performance and only four were fired.” http://www.laweekly.com/2010-02-11/news/lausd-s-dance-of-the-lemons/
That’s how powerful the Teachers Union is in L.A. a district where only 3% of students score proficient in math or English by the time they reach High School. A union that spent millions advocating for the defeat of prop 8.
Just try to fathom a private sector industry that could survive where their workers could only manage 3 out of every 100 widgets meeting standards. And that industry gave those incompetent workers a bullet-proof, lifetime promise of a job after only five years while churning out such low performance numbers. That’s on TOP of pensions and benefits that private sector workers will NEVER see.
Insert a standard “your probably a great teacher and not all districts are the same” disclaimer here. But this situation is more the rule than the exception. And it’s the future generation of Americans that’s being gypped out of a decent education. Whenever I hear a union teacher screaming that it’s “the kids” that budget cuts are ripping off, my eyes justifiably roll.
I haven’t seen this in 15 or 20 years.
Long ago there was a strike in NY where a cousin was teaching, she brought these flyers to a holiday family dinner.
Back when the flyers where 15th generation photocopies from some old typewriter original long since lost.
Someone updated the numbers for inflation.
I question what teachers make because they do only work a partial year...they do only have simple degrees compared to engineering,pre med,etc..they do make plenty of money per hour and they do have the most luxurious benifits with defined pensions.....
plenty of college educated people work in dept stores,restaurants, etc because they can't find work or getting tips at a restaurand beats working in their degree area....
Tendentious nonsense is tendentious.
Reminds me of this old joke:
So you want a day off?
So you want a day off. Let’s take a look at what you are asking for.
There are 365 days per year available for work.
There are 52 weeks per year in which you already have 2 days off per week, leaving 261 days available for work.
Since you spend 16 hours each day away fron work, you have used up 170 days, leaving only 91 days available.
You spend 30 minutes each day on coffee break which counts for 23 days each year, leaving only 68 days available.
With a 1 hour lunch each day, you used up another 46 days, leaving only 22 days available for work.
You normally spend 2 days per year on sick leave.
This leaves you only 20 days per year available for work.
We are off 5 holidays per year, so your available working time is down to 15 days.
We generously give 14 days vacation per year which leaves only 1 day available for work.
There’s no way I’ll let you take that day off!
Somewhere they are messing with the math, I just don’t feel like looking for it tonight.
If they're doing their job poorly, any amount is too much. In the private sector, if you do your job poorly there's not a discussion about your pay, you're fired.
The public sector unions have turned greedy beyond reason, and the public has had enough. If the teachers are upset about their compensation, perhaps they should seek other employment.
Education is no longer a business to benefit the children. That ship sailed about the time the unions discovered the school house.
I say it would be more effective for the district to purchase houses in its own district, and rent them for $1.00 per school year to teachers. The shop classes can be used to perform basic maintenance. More advanced maintenance performed by the district custodians.
Pay a $5.00 per teaching hour rate, with up to another $5.00 per hour bonus based on the teacher’s performance, as measured by standardized tests and parent evaluations of the classroom experience.
By parent evals, I mean ratings given by adequately educated parents who observe several classes in a given year. Put the parent back in charge, but make it the involved parents who have the voice.
By performance, I mean the performance of the class. Make a sliding scale, with allowances for the “normal distribution curve” in student intelligence and ability. For new teachers, assume a moderately-below-average performance, and give a $2.00/hr bonus. That gives a $3.00 up-side, and a $2.00 down-side.
If a teacher improves year-over-year, give a sliding scale increase. If the teacher improves as compared to the rest of the same grade in the state, give a higher increase, even if their performance is the same as their previous year’s performance. Use statistical analysis to determine each year’s change.
Weight the top performing students higher than the lowest. If a teacher inspired 3 top students to outperform the rest of the state by 150%, and they have 3 students that under perform by 150%, the students that excel should carry more weight than those that lag.
But the teacher must be able to discipline in their class. Therefore, children who behave problematically will either be appropriately disciplined, or they will be expelled (to therefore become the parent’s problems.
Teachers aren’t over paid as a profession. They grossly under perform. Fix the schools by offering those who would truly teach a chance to prosper. Shed teachers who do not perform quickly, to spare our youth the trauma of piss poor teachers.
Sorry for the rant, but it was on my mind.
Wait, I don't see any figures for teaching.....Hmmmmm, zero dollars for teaching, that is even a better deal than the “$1.42 per hour per student” babysitting fee.
Now, if the educational system consisted of all private schools, and their employment was based on merit and ability...the majority of them would be without a JOB!
So, save the babysitting cost......and home school. Oh, and if those in your neighborhood can't teach their own kids, or don't have the time, you could make a living off of this teaching AND charging babysitting fees.
What a sweet job this would be....walking into the classroom to teach....students pointing out that I still have my slippers on.
Well, when you figure the average benefits (health insurance/pension) at an additional $40K a year, it's $500 a day. A private sector employee working 250 days (normal yearly average) at $500 a day, would be pulling over $10.4K per month or $125K annually. Even without bennies, not too shabby and way, way above the national average for total household income, let alone individual income. I own a business, work over 300 days a year and make less than $75K. Out of that, I pay over $10K in health insurance with a high deductible and have to contribute to my own IRA. My continued income is 'performance' based. Cry me a river.
“Cry me a river”
Obviously I have never met you..........But, I like you already.
Teachers here work 181 days per year [not including school trips, sabbaticals, free periods, etc]. That’s roughly six months a year, not 9, 10 or 11.
Thanks. : )
I had a (very)few teachers who should have been paid $100,000 a year. I also had some that weren’t worth $3 an hour.
It’s NOT just the teachers....there’s a WHOLE BUREAUCRACY that’s been created to justify itself and their hefty salaries plus benefits.....
FYI: 181 days / 5 days per work-week = 36.2 work-weeks.
If they truly believe they can do much better babysitting, then my answer to them would be... what the hell are you doing teaching, run and get a babysitter’s job!!
I think that would shut them up, because they know very well that there’s no way they could make that type of money babysitting - their little sophomoric exercise totally neglects the economy of scale.
It would be like someone calculating the cost of building a single pencil. It would cost you a fortune - cut the tree, machine it, mine the coal, get the rubber for the eraser, assemble it... However, with economy of scale, you can buy a pencil for 10 cents.
Regarding the numbers themselves, what it costs the parents to send the kids to school is not just the cost of the teacher’s salaries, it’s the cost of everything else - benefits, administration, supplies, support staff, etc. The total cost per pupil is over $10K, which comes to $300K per classroom, not $50K. And that does not include building costs.
Lastly, and most important, what the “right” or ‘fair” salary should be is not determined arbitrarily or comparing apples with oranges. It should be determined by the marketplace, and the unions absolutely refuse to allow that. Why? Because they would rather have a monopoly. It’s good to be king! (or union boss). As a result the good teachers get penalized. They would most likely be making a lot more in a private school system.
If the government can't charge you for health care (and they can't) how might you be required to pay for 'education' services- even when you haven't any kids in school? Is this America? Hello, McFly!
Don’t forget the permits for the lead. Without that it nothing more than scratching the surface.
“how might you be required to pay for ‘education’ services- even when you haven’t any kids in school?”
Okay, this is an easy one.....wait for it.....still waiting...?
Your investing in the next generation that will keep YOUR Social Security...solvent...hhhhhhhaaaaa!!!!!!!
There are not many American children left in LAUSD. Which also helps to explain your other stats.
The only people that ultimately responsible for their children's education are the parent, and the children themselves. Whether they home school, or not, ultimately their childrens' education is their responsibility. Lousy schools or teachers is no excuse for children not getting an education. Parents need to look at education as more than just glorified daycare for their kids.
Exactly! Governor Walker should ask for one teacher to come forward and relinquish his/her job, if the governor can find someone willing to do that job for 15 -20% less than the current compensation. I bet he would have a ton of takers.
Touche! (Imagine a little slash above the ‘e’, my keyboard doesn’t do French, sorry)
True-I was wondering when the other half of the equation would be mentioned. Parents seem to be too busy to compare what their kids are learning to what they should already know by a certain age.
“FYI: 181 days / 5 days per work-week = 36.2 work-weeks.”
100k in salary and bennies would be 50 hours a week for a typical private sector job. For that level of compensation at the very least teachers should be required to work 10 hour days. The schools could then offer “free” after school daycare.
Ah yes, Alaska....Served in the Coast Guard in Cordova on the USCG Sedge, 70-72. I think the Sweetbrier resides there now. Bouy Tender life, quite the memory.
Let’s see, I’m a technical editor and I and three other editors support 240 software and hardware engineers. If you pay us $8 an hour, that’s $125,000 each per year. Darn, I’m underpaid, too!
Rats, math error! I should actually be making nearly a million a year.
Unfortunately, this is the math that is being taught in our schools..
It is not a question of having enough. The system is unsustainable, and most of these teachers will never see a pension.
The only problem with the author’s scheme is that if there is no silly planning time, then assignments, tests, and quizzes will not be prepared. But I guess that’s OK since there won’t be any time to grade them anyway. And the kids will love it since they won’t have to do written homework or write papers. Unless you want to help the teachers. You’ll get paid $1.50 an hour, of course.
Just another Ponzi Scheme.
Give the quality of the product they produce, they are overpaid and they know it. Hence the tantrum.
And just try to imagine a private sector industry that could survive when the workers have to make every widget blank into a widget, regardless of how prepared it was to be a widget.
Even if the suppliers had sent widget blanks that were of aluminum, instead of steel -- doesn't matter, make the widget.
Even if the widget blanks were corroded, and would encourage corrosion on the widget blanks they were in the bin next too -- doesn't matter, you can't reject any widget blanks, you have to put 'em all in the same bin, and make 'em all into widgets.
Even if the suppliers call the boss, and tell them it's your fault the widget blanks couldn't be made into a widget, despite the fact that the widget blank supplied was the wrong size and shape for the intended widget -- you gotta make it into a widget anyhow.
Yep, gotta love those, 'private sector industry' comparisons.
“A teacher should command as good a salary as their professional talents dictate as individuals”
Bravo! But right now we have a single payer system that
does not allow the end consumer (parents) to make direct
decisions about how their own money is spent educating
their own children.
“Education is no longer a business to benefit the children. That ship sailed about the time the unions discovered the school house.”
True, but it’s not just the unions. The colleges of education in our university system share in the problem.
State and Federal legislatures often turn to these ‘experts’
when they want to reform the system.
Then there are the State and Federal legislatures themselves. The ability to raise revenue and appropriate it
in the name of “educating children” has turned our public school system into quite a money making adventure for those
who are able to lobby the right congressmen.
As to your recommendations...they seem like another beauracracy that will require evaluators, managers, supervisors etc. In essence more of the same that we already have.
What’s the solution? It’s the compulsory education laws
that give the states the power to run public education. By
compelling children to be in school, the state also takes the ‘responsibilty’ to create the system. It then allows them to tax the public at large, even people who don’t have
children in the system, to finance the enterprise.
To me this whole scheme sounds a lot like Obamacare!!!
Eliminate or scale back the compulsory education laws, and make individual parents responsible for defining the education their own children receive.
The counter argument will be that there are some parents that don’t care for their own children, are too poor, are too ignorant....or whatever.
Again this is the same argument behind Obamacare!!!
I’ve a better idea. Let’s pay teachers for what they accomplish and make it easy to fire them if they don’t actually TEACH children what they know. Let’s also hang the responsibility for educating children on the administrators also and fire them along with the teachers unless they school produce X percent of graduates per year.
My children’s teachers in Elementary school have indeed been little more than exceptional babysitters. They are worth perhaps $20/hr. They can afford their own health insurance out of that. Pensions? Let them open an IRA like the rest of us.
Unfortunately, the left is once again ahead of us on this one. They have realized that you cannot force a child to learn and that the equal opportunity to an education doesn’t always lead to an equal outcome, that White students continue to out perform minority students on tests.
So, rather than return to the old tracking system, where students choose their own path to a diploma, college preparatory, business, tech, or general, the left has decided to simply give out a diploma to kids at 15 or 16 and put them directly into a union apprenticeship or training program, preferably an SEIU training program, whether the kids can read, write and do math or not. They don’t even have to pass a GED test and probably couldn’t.
In other words, the left has changed the goal of education from an equal opportunity to an equal outcome. Next time you hear the left talk about outcome based education, you’ll know what they mean.
I've read articles that entrants into “education” colleges are in the lowest 25% percentile - so the kids are being taught by the lowest intelligent grads.
If I were czar, I would require **all** teachers to take and pass Calculus I for engineers and science majors. They would sit in the same classes, shoulder to shoulder, with the geeks.
Do teachers need Calculus to teach? No, of course not, but it would assure that they had a high enough IQ to be entrusted with a classroom of children. It would help prevent having math phobics teaching classes and passing their bias on to their students. And...Maybe having taken and passed Calculus the teachers would reject the nutty methods that are being used today to teach math.
Also...I would require all teachers to take and pass, once every three years, the GED for high school drop outs. If they can’t pass the GED then they shouldn’t be anywhere near kids as a teacher.
It is my guess that large numbers of government teachers would fail the GED, even if given a month or two to prepare. They would likely fail the math portion.
“In other words, the left has changed the goal of education from an equal opportunity to an equal outcome.”
The highest rating is termed ‘Excellent’. To be ‘excellent’ doesn’t mean that any students did particularly well. It means the vast majority managed to meet the minimum standards.
The course material in core subjects has been dumbed down
year after year, and more students are required to be enrolled in the ‘higher level’ college prep classes. The
Texas university system is full of kids that can’t perform
well enough to be in entry level college classes.
People talk about the importance of testing etc., but the
bureaucrats that write the tests can still push whatever agenda they want!!!!
Again it is really up to parents to work to ensure that
their children are truly learning what they want them to learn.
I don’t begrudge them decent salaries. Just don’t bitch when the “man” comes looking for some scalps. Thats the way it works in the real world.
If you are making money for them, they will pay you what the market bears. But, if you are one of those “superstars” you had been not have a bad quarter or two.
That's what the idiots in Wisconsin don't get. Not only will they never see all of that pension money, they are going to aid in the destruction of their State and Country. We'll see how they like it when looters start ransacking their homes and there are NO Police to call. They don't strike me as the "gun owner" type either.
Collectivist, socialist-funded, GODLESS, government owned and run, and voting mob comrade committee managed social programs NEVER work! This is why government schooling is a failure today and can NOT be fixed.
Ok...So?...What about your suggestions for government schooling? It will fail for the same reasons our current system of government schooling is a mess. Your plan is collectivist, socialist-funded, GODLESS, government owned and run, and managed by voting mob comrade committees ( school boards).
Solution: We must begin the process of privatizing all education. If vouchers, tax credits, and charters can help us move us in that direction by building a private infrastructure, then I support them,..but...**ONLY** if it leads to complete separation of school and state.
By the way...Look at the success of homeschoolers.
Perhaps homeschoolers are so successful because the parents have abandoned the Prussian-model and prison-like schools. They, instead, are providing an educational setting that resembles that of our Founding Fathers: teaching by parents, shared teaching by neighbors, very small parent-organized one room schools, dame schools in the homes of neighbors, Sunday schools, private tutoring when needed, apprenticeships, and small home-based academies to prepare children for college by their early teens.
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