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California’s AB32 cap-n-trade: “could be worse than sticky”
Watts Up With That? ^ | February 18, 2011 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 02/18/2011 9:40:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

SPECIAL REPORT-The California Carbon Rush (Hold the Eureka!)

It could be worse than sticky, argues Gary Stern, a power utility executive. Stern lived through the disastrous deregulation of the California power market a decade ago and fears the carbon market will be small and open to manipulation. The state refuses to set a limit for prices. Traders could learn how to corner the market (think Enron) and then hold hostage utilities and factories with no option but to buy sky-high permits on the open market.

State officials say they are working on new safeguards to stop just such efforts and will unveil them in July. California also plans to hire an external monitor to watch the markets — a key recommendation of Stern. “I’m not saying we would expect the same thing to occur in the emissions markets,” he said. “However, we didn’t expect that to occur in the electricity markets.”

Even if all goes well, nine years of carbon trade won’t be enough to end worries about climate change, especially if other states and nations don’t pitch in.

“The ambition doesn’t add up in terms of what the science is calling for. In fact it doesn’t get close,” said Greenpeace forest campaigner Rolf Skar, who derides the decision to give away any pollution permits at all. He also turns up his nose at California’s plans to let industry pay for “offsets” — projects to soak up carbon, such as forest management.

Offsets are seen as an important price safety valve — letting a redwood grow bigger to capture carbon in its wood is cheaper than building a carbon-free power plant, and a substantial portion of California’s emissions reductions could come from such schemes.

Owners typically pay contractors to verify such projects — which is not dissimilar to a bond issuer paying a credit agency to rate it — but designers say the offset program avoids conflicts of interest and project standards are extremely strict.

To make a serious dent in emissions, regulators will target transportation. Cars, trucks and planes spew out 40 percent of the state’s carbon, more than utilities or industry.

The state’s climate change law could have been called the “California Petroleum Use Reduction Act,” Mary Nichols, California’s top climate change regulator, joked last year.

The state is the third biggest user of gasoline in the world, after the U.S. as a whole and China, but drivers can change emissions very quickly — by leaving the car in the garage or buying a new, more efficient, car.

“You are just trying to get people to drive less, effectively, which is probably going to be quite expensive,” said Sikorski of Barclays.

Auto fuels are pulled into the cap-and-trade system in 2015. Gasoline prices are sure to rise as distributors are forced to buy carbon permits.

full story here


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab32; ca; california; capandtrade; carb; carbontrade; climatechange; energy; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 02/18/2011 9:40:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; marvlus; Fractal Trader; Whenifhow; grey_whiskers; proud_yank; markomalley; ...
Thanx Ernest !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 02/18/2011 9:46:22 AM PST by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This will let sharpies take tens of billions of dollars from the State government legally, not to mention the opportunities to just steal. The European Union had to shut down its carbon trading market because computer hackers stole about $100 million from it on-line.

We can only hope the idiots in charge have some sort of stop-loss mechanism built in to limit the new debt this will pile on California's taxpayers.

3 posted on 02/18/2011 9:48:32 AM PST by Thud
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polistra says:

February 18, 2011 at 8:41 am

Arrggghh. We need to stop listening to these “experts” who claim that something or other was “unexpected”.

The people who design these systems know exactly what to expect, and have their Swiss bank accounts open and ready for the expected result. After it’s done and they’ve stolen a few trillions, the “experts” go around repeating the word “unexpected”, because this magic incantation prevents lawsuits.

There is no such thing as an unintended consequence.

4 posted on 02/18/2011 9:51:38 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Pull the plug on CA. The patient is brain dead and we need the bed for a state we can still save.


5 posted on 02/18/2011 9:53:21 AM PST by JPG (As WI goes, so goes the nation. Thank you, Gov Walker.)
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To: Thud

They think they do...we’ll see.


6 posted on 02/18/2011 9:54:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Traders could learn how to corner the market (think Enron) and then hold hostage utilities and factories with no option but to buy sky-high permits on the open market.

As they said in a recent popular movie, "Stupid is as stupid does!"

California and other states with insanely high budget obligations are amusing to watch, but only if you do not reside in one.

7 posted on 02/18/2011 9:54:40 AM PST by olezip
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

WE have come to expect the unexpected in labor reports as well as global cooling/global warming/global climate change reports.


8 posted on 02/18/2011 9:56:19 AM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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James Sexton says:

February 18, 2011 at 8:47 am

On a very related note, …..pop quiz! Who said, “The conventional viewpoint says we need a jobs program and we need to cut welfare. Just the opposite! We need more welfare and fewer jobs. Jobs for every American is doomed to failure because of modern automation and production”????

Give up?

The newly elected governor of Cali, Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, on his radio show 1995. Steve Goddard covered this little jewel. My sympathy to all the sane people left in Cali,………both of them.

9 posted on 02/18/2011 9:57:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
16 Tons
10 posted on 02/18/2011 10:00:04 AM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: SouthTexas
One of my Favorites...

Johnny Cash version:

Johnny Cash - Sixteen Tons

11 posted on 02/18/2011 10:18:42 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That’s a good one too.

That song popped into my head as soon as I saw the coupon. LOL


12 posted on 02/18/2011 10:34:59 AM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

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13 posted on 02/18/2011 10:41:05 AM PST by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
14 posted on 02/18/2011 12:43:14 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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Thanks Ernest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEZU2kPKctI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLa9uq-f-kY


15 posted on 02/18/2011 1:06:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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