Posted on 02/10/2011 8:35:27 AM PST by Nachum
President Hosni Mubarak will meet the demands of protesters, military and ruling party officials said Thursday in the strongest indication yet that Egypt’s longtime president may be about to give up power and that the armed forces were seizing control.
Gen. Hassan al-Roueini, military commander for the Cairo area, told thousands of protesters in central Tahrir Square, “All your demands will be met today.” Some in the crowd held up their hands in V-for-victory signs, shouting “Allahu akbar,” or “God is great,” a victory cry used by secular and religious people alike.
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I figured that went without saying.
At least for anybody who has been paying attention.
Be wary of what you’re being sold.
You probably realize that the U.S. position HAS to look like it had nothing to do with this “transition.” It HAS to look like it’s neutral.
Yea, it’s really sad. Egypt is about to go the way of Iran and it didn’t have to happen.
I’m not naive. It could go in several directions.
Do you not see something significant in the fact a muslim is saying his “hero” is a Jew?
Watch the short interview in the link. I’m interested in people’s reactions after seeing it.
They're both bad.
The Sunni rule Saudi Arabia.
The Shia rule Iran.
Both are extremist sharia governments.
And, great balls of fire, when a country has both of 'em, the mosques are making that muezzin racket all the dang time.
Because they've had a dictatorship for over 30 years there is no infrastructure for a representative govt with parties representing different people. It takes time to create this infrastructure and belief in the rule of law not the mob.
This young man is a great poster boy for the radicals. He probably naively believes that the radicals will be agreeable to sharing power in a representative govt. The radicals are very clear they want Sharia Law.
We still haven't cleaned up the mess that Carter made in the middle east. Now obozo is making it near impossible.
If the U.S. was exercising good planning behind the scenes we would be seeing a long transitional period and the initial talking points that the transition must be to a representative govt protecting everyone's God given rights. All we see is confusion from the executive branch.
The Egyptian officer corps is a very astute and sophisticated bunch. I will bet the other way. That is that they will use the Ataturk Model and that once order is restored will try, at least, to subdue the Islamicists.
This is a "heart" bet. Not a "head" bet! In a way, the Turks are facing the same problem as Egypt. Exploding low-end populations have given the mullahs and imams an edge on the street.
In the meantime, thank God for the Egyptian military, I hope. Now, how do we get The Mombasa Moonbeam outa HERE?
I’m perfectly fine with blaming Obama for any problems that arise with this transition.
It won’t be warranted, but I’ll join in because I believe Obama is the worst President in 200 years. Bar none.
You can’t avoid picking? Churchill was quite annoyed at the same problem. Sunni control, or Shia control? It’s one or the other.
Team Obama took an unstable situation and made it infinitely worse. Mubarak's "term" had 7 months to go before the next "election."
In 7 months, a transition back to the Egyptian constitution was certainly possible. By turning this over to the military, GENERAL Mubarak has done absolutely the right thing, under the circumstances The Kenya Kid has set up.
This is when revolutions happen: when despots, benevolent or not, loosen the reins for "reforms." Only two people in history (that I know of) pulled off this dicey transition successfully: Franco in Spain, and Pinochet in Chile. Let's hope we learn of a third in Egypt and that the Kommie Kiddie Korps in DC has not unleashed an Islamic whirlwind.
One 'a them parliamentary democracy thangs.
The jury is still out on how that's working...
Better than Saudi Arabia or Iran, though.
I thought Shia’s are against a parliamentary democracy though? I thought that was more a sunni brand of politics. The shia’s may have that where you are, but don’t they then demand a religious ruling class as well, who are still another coequal branch of government, which parliament has no authority or say?
Not here. This is a new democracy and there isn't a ruling arm of mullahs. There is one nasty, creepy, fat little Shia bastard who would like for there to be.
The parliament is made up of Shia, Sunni and even a couple of Christians.
It's new enough to still be viewed as an experiment.
It used to be a dictatorship - a secular one. The dictator is dead now.
OK, enough clues. Time to guess. :)
I knew what you were selling. Take away the American hammer and the religious class will stir up the riff-raff to undo all that you’ve done. It’s what Islamic religious leaders do. (until I see other evidence, and their koran calls for nothing better)
And let me guess? That fat little shia bastard just got let back in huh? Not bad, going from most wanted dead or alive, to most revered and diplomatic?
I'm not really selling anything. I'm just saying neither a Shia or a Sunni ruling arm is a good thing.
Take away the American hammer and the religious class will stir up the riff-raff to undo all that you’ve done.
I haven't done anything. Our troops did the heavy lifting. I've just helped with training and the reconstruction a wee bit.
It’s what Islamic religious leaders do. (until I see other evidence, and their koran calls for nothing better)
Yep....hence my reference to the nasty little creep, Sadr.
But, as I said, the jury's still out. I think any other Middle Eastern country that wants to try a democracy should have at it. It's what most of the Egyptians want....they just don't seem to know how to get it.
More like he slithered back in. I suspect he's cowering in Najaf, planning his next evil trick.
Not bad, going from most wanted dead or alive, to most revered and diplomatic?
Ha! Most Iraqis want him gone almost as much as we do. Most Iraqis want a secular government. They've had a secular society for decades.
It's only Iran-backed thugs like Sadr who are trying to make Iraq into another Iran. And un fortunately, Iran bankrolls the various schemes to get their mullahs into power here and derail the democracy.
Do you think that real world education in islamic countries would break the back of ruling mullahs? It seems that their version of an education is that is memorizing the koran, the mullah's interpretation of it, and to be a faithful follower of muhammad, a constant state of war against non-believers is your duty. That is hardly an education that prepares one for industrial advancement, public service, scientific marvels, or civil engineering. The mullah's and elites send their wealthy cohorts to western schools for those few, while the fifth century shops, infrastructure, schools, and public works just stay stagnant. How do you get that lower class(the masses)a modern education? I'm not saying to eliminate their religious heritage, but to supplement it with "moving it forward".
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