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Croatia looking to give military jets facelift
Croatian Times ^ | 2/5/2011 | Croatian Times

Posted on 02/04/2011 9:42:45 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The Croatian Ministry of Defence has invited representatives from Russian fighter aircraft manufacturers to evaluate whether any of Croatia's fighter planes could be modernized.

Representatives of the Russian company MiG and Rosoboronexport agency will be coming to Croatia to evaluate the condition of several 20-year-old planes that they manufactured. Croatia is looking to either modernize its current stock or buy some new or used planes.

Eight planes should be modernized according to the Ministry of Defense's plan, costing the state some 20 million dollars. Considering that these planes are more than 30 years old, only the manufacturer can decide whether they can be "refurbished." If the Russian experts say this is not possible, Croatia might look to purchases several used jet fighter planes from India.

(Excerpt) Read more at croatiantimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; croatia; mig; rosoboronexport; russianmilitary

1 posted on 02/04/2011 9:42:50 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

They get tired of MiG-21’s or whatever?


2 posted on 02/04/2011 9:48:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: GeronL

MiG-21 “The Flying Coffin”


3 posted on 02/04/2011 9:49:28 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: GeronL
Croatia doesn't want Bosnia to break up and half to join Serbia. They'd have a larger Serbia, a very hard to defend border with Serbia....and an Islamic state (Bosniaks) on their border to top it all off.

4 posted on 02/04/2011 11:41:26 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ")
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The MiG21 was/is a fairly reputable unit, and you can't beat the price! With thousands of them in COMBLOC junkyards, parts shouldn't be a problem.

Nice new paint job, the stereo radio and tape deck, and $3Million Euros later you have a nifty 8-plane Air Force that can fly from one end of Croatia to the other and back again in 6 minutes flat, or until the Russki engine throws a blade through the cockpit.

BTW, having been there, IMHO, the Bosnians are not serious Muslims, (Islam Lite) although they imported quite a few really bad jihadis for military purposes. These terrorists are disarmed, but may still be hanging around and giving the Bosniaks trouble over their immodest women, pork sausages, and beer. Historically, they have also used Albanians as their hitmen.

BTW, The Bosniaks also managed quite a few atrocities during the late unpleasantness, as did the Croatians, and of course the Kosovar Albanians. But the Serbs got the worst publicity and took the rap.

5 posted on 02/05/2011 12:46:13 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

You commit atrocities upon your neighbors for 1500 years and it gets to become a habit. Just so long as they don’t keep exporting it.


6 posted on 02/05/2011 1:02:33 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Kenny Bunk
until the Russki engine throws a blade through the cockpit.

Coffee through nose onto keyboard. You owe me.

/johnny

7 posted on 02/05/2011 2:25:55 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I didn't mean to knock Russki Tech. The MiG 21 is sort of the Hyundai of the export fighter jet world .... before Hyundai discovered quality control.

It works damn well for the money ... as an alarming number of hotshots discovered in VN. It also has an extremely high accident rate, but considering that thousands of them were flown by Third World dudes who were lucky to have had a check ride in an ox cart before strapping in, that's probably not the Russki's fault ... all that much.

8 posted on 02/05/2011 7:12:00 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
The problem with Bosniaks is that if you give'em a haircut and a suit, they look like any other Euro traveler. The Jihadis do try and recruit them ... so far (I fervently hope) with no success.

In fact, the Bosniaks are trying to dump their Afghan, Chechen, etc. mujadehinn former pals as fast as they can. Of course the Saudis are pouring money into the place, trying to Wahabb-ize'em, but great beer and tasty pork sausages, and truly outstandingly good-looking women with Euro style rights, who are more interested in Italian shoes than Islam, should put a brake on that move.

9 posted on 02/05/2011 7:22:18 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Well, you give a tiny bit more hope for the Balkans. Thanks.


10 posted on 02/05/2011 7:26:47 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Greetings from Croatia.

There was a lot of debate here about the fighter’s choice and a lot of of unverified report from red tape press.
Problem was in reality that our’s minister of defence initial plan to purchase modern (although second hand ) fighters had to be posponed by some years ‘cause economical crisis and more stringent military acquisition.

That left us with a capablity gap around year 2013, that was worstened by the loss of two jets last november during training .
Renting air coverage from other Nato countries, a solution that some of ours neightbours adopted was immediately refused for national dignity’s sake.

In meantime we received a lot of offers of short-time renting of very used aircraft as gap-filler: f-16, mirages and last one a ridicoulous (apparently) free-of- charge F-4F offer from Germany.
Also this proposed solution misses completely the point however.

It is about Time, stupid:
You can offer us also free of charge F-22s, we still would need about two years to train pilots and ground crews, let alone the need to build a dedicated line of support, but we need fighters NOW.

So, only possible choice will be to overhaul our mig-21f or the time being and wait until we can afford ourselves Gripens (as it is the only modern fighters than can be sobstitute Fishbeds in a quasi one -to-one basis, that is the sole real requisite ).


11 posted on 03/16/2011 9:08:57 PM PDT by Marcellogo
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To: Marcellogo
My entirely unsolicited and free advice to Croatia, where I have many friends, is to get a Mirage deal from France, a trainer deal from Italy, and buy a complete Air Force on E-Z Terms. Don't forget the Airbus Tankers, a few C-130's (inc the Spectre), spare parts, and a training cadre. Go for it. It's a buyer's market. Speaking of cheap deals, take a look at the Ark Royal. NROR*. You could be the first on your side of the Adriatic to have a carrier!

In exchange for my friendly gesture, I expect a real deal on one of those giant Russki Biplanes you fellows have lying about. Should make an excellent crop duster.

*NROR = Americanski for "No Reasonable Offer Refused."

12 posted on 03/17/2011 6:51:43 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. But it cannot survive the kind of people who vote for him.)
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