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Gun Control Efforts in the Wake of Jared Lee Loughner
Townhall.com ^ | January 20, 2011 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 01/20/2011 6:59:01 AM PST by Kaslin

The tragic shootings in Tucson have sparked new cries from gun control advocates for more restrictive gun laws. The gun control lobby is hoping the emotions stirred up over the senseless killings will generate a wave of support and favorable Congressional treatment since the most high-profile victim was a member of Congress.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.Y. are proposing banning gun clips that hold more than 10 rounds. Loughner’s gun held 30 rounds. But this bill would not prohibit the sale of used clips with more than a 10-round capacity, and a killer could simply carry more than one gun to avoid having to take time to reload.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., one of a few anti-gun Republicans in Congress, is proposing a prohibition on firearms within 1000 feet of a president, vice-president, member of Congress or federal judge. A law like this would be impossible to enforce.

A group of family members and survivors from the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings want to make it more difficult for the mentally ill to purchase firearms. Loughner was suspended from Pima County Community College for mental health reasons, and was likely denied enlistment in the army for mental health reasons. Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui was also mentally ill. The group is asking Congress to close the gun-show loophole and provide more funding for criminal background checks. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., wants the military to inform the FBI when someone is rejected for enlistment because of illegal drug use. Schumer claims a law like this would have prevented Loughner from buying a gun.

These restrictions would merely put a band-aid on the real problem. Criminals who really want to kill people are going to find a way to kill them, whether by purchasing guns illegally or using other weapons. The mentally ill used to be locked up in hospitals until the left and activist ACLU attorneys sued to have them released in the 1960’s, fundamentally changing the way society treats the mentally ill. If Loughner had been institutionalized, he would not have been able to purchase guns and kill people.

Gun control has been a tough sell in recent years. Recent high-level court decisions have struck down restrictive gun laws. The Brady Bill, which passed in 1994 banning “Assault Weapons,” expired in 2004 and was not renewed by Congress, after a study found that it had no effect.

With Republicans in control of the House, Speaker John Boehner is unlikely to entertain any legislation curtailing gun rights. Rep. King is reporting a tremendous amount of opposition to his proposed legislation, receiving “100 calls an hour from people who think I am trying to take away their Second Amendment rights.” No Republican members of Congress have come out in favor of McCarthy’s bill to ban high-capacity clips.

Ironically, Congresswoman Giffords owns guns and filed a friend-of-the-court brief in 2008 opposing a handgun ban in Washington, D.C. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence gave her a “0” rating in gun safety efforts.

The Obama administration announced that it is studying new proposals to regulate gun sales as a result of the shootings. But the Brady Campaign rates Obama an F for leadership on gun violence, and so far Obama has not announced support for any gun control measures.

Don’t expect to see any gun control bills passed in Arizona, either. Republicans control the legislature, and Republican Governor Jan Brewer has always supported the Second Amendment. Arizona has some of the friendliest laws towards gun owners in the nation, passing a law last year allowing concealed-carry without a permit.

The shootings are tragic, but the nation finally realizes that restricting gun ownership will not stop violence. If history is any guide, more gun ownership might have averted the massacre, had those present been armed and able to shoot back.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; giffords; guncontrol; reichstagfire; shallnotbeinfringed
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1 posted on 01/20/2011 6:59:02 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." -- William S. Burroughs

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

2 posted on 01/20/2011 7:05:00 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Kaslin

Even Der Schumer knows that this is just fund raising for the fringe kooks.
This constant drum beat is a clear sign that if we really wanted to fix the problem, we would legislate disarm and gag every liberal we could find for they are prima facie evidence of their own dementia.


3 posted on 01/20/2011 7:07:22 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Joe Brower

3 ten round mags or one 30 round mag...wouldn’t have made any difference in the Giffords shooting(not that it matters though, since the government technically doesn’t have the authority to tell me how many rounds to carry). But a competent sheriff’s department might’ve made a difference.


4 posted on 01/20/2011 7:13:14 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Kaslin

*** and a killer could simply carry more than one gun to avoid having to take time to reload.****

This was standard procedure in the pre-Civil War days. Look at any of the old woodcuts or photos of the time and you will see Kanasas Raiders armed with as many as 4 or more six shot revolvers.


5 posted on 01/20/2011 7:13:44 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Kaslin
...banning gun clips that hold more than 10 rounds...

The ignorance of the MSM on this subject tells me that they practice knee-jerk journalism.

I don't know the author, but I do know the author doesn't know anything about guns or the people that own them.

Therefore, display of such ignorance makes me reject anything the author can come up with as an argument for or against the subject.

In other words, dumb asses do not need to be "reporting" on anything that they know nothing about.

6 posted on 01/20/2011 7:15:52 AM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Reminds me of The Outlaw Josey Wales!!


7 posted on 01/20/2011 7:40:21 AM PST by catman67
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To: Kaslin
Have I said this before? One expects the Left to have their knee-jerk "gun grab" reaction in the wake of such tragedies. It's become de rigueur.

What I find more disturbing this time is the concerted effort at chilling free speech. It seems more pronounced to me this time than in the aftermath of the OK City bombings.

8 posted on 01/20/2011 7:51:00 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (I might be in favor of national healthcare if it required all Democrats to get their heads examined.)
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To: Kaslin
As soon as I saw this: Townhall.com .. Rachel Alexander.
I KNEW I'd find Clip in the article.

These ditz reporterettes should stick to writing about Cooking or Fashion, something they know. Not Firearms.

9 posted on 01/20/2011 8:00:08 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I refer you to the most excellent motion picture “The Outlaw Josie Wales” for some examples of that very scenario in action.


10 posted on 01/20/2011 8:04:10 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: catman67

yep, the two ‘visible’ holsters were just the beginning...


11 posted on 01/20/2011 8:04:24 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Miss_Meyet
"What I find more disturbing this time is the concerted effort at chilling free speech."

I agree. The gun grabbers reaction is predictable. The continued attack on speech is disturbing... I don't want to be like Europe where you can go to jail for your speech as some Nazi lovers are. Yes, some people's speech may be horrible but that is the speech that is in most need of protecting. The founders didn't put the first amendment in to protect someone talking about petunas!!
12 posted on 01/20/2011 8:20:36 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I don’t see how dropping a gun and drawing another is faster than dropping an empty mag and inserting a new one.

Well, I just did a little experiment. Going slow, pulling the trigger three times on an empty gun, then changing mags and hitting slide release takes about 7 seconds. Pulling trigger on empty gun 3 times, dropping gun, pulling new gun from pocket, taking safety off, takes about 6 seconds.

It’s marginally faster.


13 posted on 01/20/2011 8:23:50 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Kaslin
"Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.Y. are proposing banning gun clips that hold more than 10 rounds."

I don't personally know of any firearm that holds 30 round clips. Most of the ones I know are rifles that hold 10 rounds or less clips such as the M-1, 1903 Springfield, Lee Enfield and Mosin-Nagant. I only wish that all Loughner had was a 30 round clip for his Glock. He could not have loaded it with but one round in the chamber before going on his rampage.

Reporters are idiots...
14 posted on 01/20/2011 8:28:51 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: mamelukesabre
"I don’t see how dropping a gun and drawing another is faster than dropping an empty mag and inserting a new one."

The only counter argument to that is the fact that inserting a magazine takes up both of your hands. Dropping one handgun and grabbing another one out of a holster takes one hand. In other words, you could have another handgun in your other hand covering yourself while getting a new pistol/revolver...
15 posted on 01/20/2011 8:31:44 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: mamelukesabre

That’s why the sheriff is being so outspoken.
He knew this guy was a powderkeg
and did nothing about it because the loon’s mom
worked for the local gov’t.


16 posted on 01/20/2011 8:33:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: mamelukesabre
pulling new gun from pocket,

See #7.

17 posted on 01/20/2011 8:34:22 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

According to you, half the gun world are idiots.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=ruger+clips&aq=f&aqi=g3g-m4&aql=&oq=


18 posted on 01/20/2011 8:36:46 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Kaslin

Like the father of the 9 year old girl who was murdered, he said that that is the price we pay to live in such a free society...And that he did not support any gun control measures to compensate for this tragedy...

The Mother and Father of this little girl have more credibility and compassion than ALL elected officials combined in the entire country...

They get it...The government does not...Period...


19 posted on 01/20/2011 8:54:08 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

Bump


20 posted on 01/20/2011 9:01:33 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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