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Jim Webb: Why Reagan Dems Still Matter
RealClearPolitics ^ | November 8, 2010 | David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 11/08/2010 5:01:40 PM PST by neverdem

Jim Webb went to the White House last September. The Virginia senator was meeting with the president to discuss Guantanamo detainees. The conversation soon shifted to healthcare. "I told him this was going to be a disaster," Webb recalls...

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This independent problem returns Democrats to their white problem. Most non-aligned voters are white. White males constitute the plurality of independents. These are the Reagan Democrats. Webb does not see himself as their spokesman. But he is one of the few Democrats able to speak as one of them.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: abortion; independents; reagandemocrats
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We must keep these independents, IMHO. "These are the Reagan Democrats." Maybe not all, but neither do they sound like moderates. These Reagan Democrats are prolife, bitter clingers, and they're proud of it.
1 posted on 11/08/2010 5:01:43 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Webb is an Obama worshipper and one guy I would love to see get beat before I leave Gaia.


2 posted on 11/08/2010 5:03:50 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: neverdem

Jim Webb... this is a guy in trouble in VA and I wouldn’t be surprised if he walks away over the next two years. He’s got a re-election coming up to think about.


3 posted on 11/08/2010 5:05:04 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
We don't want Jim Webb. He is a liar. He voted for Obamacare wholeheartedly because that is what his party told him to do even though it went against the wishes of Virginia. He certainly didn't think it was going to be a disaster when he cast that vote! He has done nothing for the Commonwealth of Virginia except kick us Virginians in the teeth.

"Independents" like Webb can go fly a kite for all we care. He will not be respresenting Virgina after 2012.
4 posted on 11/08/2010 5:05:42 PM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: jwalsh07

Jim Webb is a piece of garbage. Hopefully he is tossed to the trash with other Dem SCUM like Bill Nelson in 2012.


5 posted on 11/08/2010 5:06:19 PM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: neverdem

bump for later


6 posted on 11/08/2010 5:07:26 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

“I told him this was going to be a disaster,” Webb recalls...

WTF, Webb voted for 0bamacare. What are the chances of George Allen running against Webb in 2012 and getting his old seat back?


7 posted on 11/08/2010 5:08:01 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: neverdem

Dim Webb is gone in 2012.


8 posted on 11/08/2010 5:09:42 PM PST by DarthVader (Nov 2 2010: That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: neverdem
The article amounts sychophantic sophistry. Perhaps Webb paid for such a loving profile?

At any rate, Webb can see the long shadows of 2012. He's moving to the center, Obama notwithstanding.

9 posted on 11/08/2010 5:10:47 PM PST by TonyInOhio ( Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.)
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To: neverdem
"I told him this was going to be a disaster," Webb recalls...

And yet he voted for that steaming pile of crap. And we're supposed to think he has our best interests at heart? What a POS.

10 posted on 11/08/2010 5:11:42 PM PST by iceskater (We are citizens - not subjects. Remember in November.)
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To: neverdem

An adage of polling is that once you lose independents, they don’t come back.

Obama has lost the independents, and I suspect they’re going to stay gone.


11 posted on 11/08/2010 5:12:17 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: neverdem

Didn’t this filthy weasel personally attack Bush for no reason?

November 29, 2006
Wednesday’s Washington Post reported that at a White House reception for newly elected members of Congress, Webb ``tried to avoid President Bush,’’ refusing to pass through the reception line or have his picture taken with the president. When Bush asked Webb, whose son is a Marine in Iraq, ``How’s your boy?’’ Webb replied, ``I’d like to get them (sic) out of Iraq.’’ When the president again asked, ``How’s your boy?’’ Webb replied, ``That’s between me and my boy.’’ Webb told the Post:
`I’m not particularly interested in having a picture of me and George W. Bush on my wall. No offense to the institution of the presidency, and I’m certainly looking forward to working with him and his administration. (But) leaders do some symbolic things to try to convey who they are and what the message is.’’


12 posted on 11/08/2010 5:13:44 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: neverdem
The conversation soon shifted to healthcare. "I told him this was going to be a disaster," Webb recalls...

A disaster you had the power to save us from, but chose not to. Stuff it.

13 posted on 11/08/2010 5:14:38 PM PST by Minn
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To: neverdem

ROTFL, you are such toast.

Virginia 2012 is almost here and hark, the campaign coffers are ringing, but for your opponent whomever he/she is.

Nye, check.
Webb,
Warner,

soon to be.


14 posted on 11/08/2010 5:15:24 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: TonyInOhio
The article amounts sychophantic sophistry. Perhaps Webb paid for such a loving profile?

At any rate, Webb can see the long shadows of 2012. He's moving to the center, Obama notwithstanding.

First thing I wondered was how much he paid for this article....lol

2nd thing I wondered.........was this article written as a preamble or pretext for a run against Obama in 2012 ? or an attempt at becoming a power broker in the party ?

I wouldn't be shocked or even mildly surprised, if he decided to take the leap in 2012 and run for the nomination of the rat party......if he is going to lose any chance at re-election in Virginia, why not go out with a national bang ?

He has the ego.......

15 posted on 11/08/2010 5:16:24 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Lazlo in PA
Webb turned into his "Fields of Fire" character..."Senator"

A POS that caused others to die.......

16 posted on 11/08/2010 5:16:40 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: neverdem

I hope the Morris and Rove types are able to devote resources very soon to keeping vulnerable 2012 dims on the run over the next two years.


17 posted on 11/08/2010 5:19:27 PM PST by Minn
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To: forgotten man
“I told him this was going to be a disaster,” Webb recalls...

When was that exactly- before you voted for health care or after?

18 posted on 11/08/2010 5:19:51 PM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: neverdem

If Webb fancies himself a conservative, or even a moderate, why the bleep does he align himself with the liberal idiots?


19 posted on 11/08/2010 5:22:38 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: neverdem

There is no such thing as “Reagan Democrats” just as there is no such thing as “Blue Dog Democrats” or “Pro-Life Democrats”. If anything should tell you this it should be the last two years when the Democrats have voted for this socialist agenda. Webb (and Warner) are running scared because they have seen their “purple” state turn virtually red. They will say anything. Note he is opened to “improving” Obamacare-but not repealing it.

Don’t fall for the lies.


20 posted on 11/08/2010 5:22:45 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: neverdem

Jim Webb is a giant load of macaca.


21 posted on 11/08/2010 5:22:54 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Senator Goldwater
An adage of polling is that once you lose independents, they don’t come back.

From your keyboard, to God's ears, but the GOP has managed to lose them a number of times, IIRC, usually while they try to assuage moderates.

22 posted on 11/08/2010 5:26:08 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: HarleyD

There is, too, a such animal as Reagan Democrats. Don’t delude yourself just because none of the major pollsters recognize them.


23 posted on 11/08/2010 5:33:11 PM PST by txhurl (If we can shake Congress like a can of pennies, we can uproot voter fraud like a D-9.)
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To: goldstategop
Jim Webb... this is a guy in trouble in VA and I wouldn’t be surprised if he walks away over the next two years. He’s got a re-election coming up to think about.

I thought that if the GOP did better in the Senate, that they would try to flip him, crossing the rats. I think he'll walk away. If he did an Arlen Specter, he'd probably be primaried.

24 posted on 11/08/2010 5:42:54 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

but the GOP has managed to lose them a number of times,


They came home this year, in droves.

I say it’s because the Tea Party stood up to the Establishment.

I can’t count how many intelligent people I know who say it’s all fixed, there’s no difference between the parties,
and this year they saw conservatives take down fat RINO cows.

We HAVE to keep doing what the independents like, keep them voting. Not just for our own satisfaction and conscience, but to keep the indies with us.


25 posted on 11/08/2010 5:43:39 PM PST by txhurl (If we can shake Congress like a can of pennies, we can uproot voter fraud like a D-9.)
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To: txhurl

I was going to post some of the numerous emails I have received from Webb’s office but its the same ol’ thing (e.g. “We are working to strengthen the health care legislation”). Trust me. I wrote Webb, Warner, and Connolly’s offices many times and made numerous telephone calls. It’s the same ol’ lies.

You are right in one respect, there are Reagan Democrats. But they are in the Tea Party movement, not in Congress.


26 posted on 11/08/2010 5:47:10 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: neverdem

Reagan Democrats wouldn’t have voted for the Insurance Bill.


27 posted on 11/08/2010 5:48:54 PM PST by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.d)
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To: neverdem

Seems like a Reagan Dem from Virginny votes the same way on things as a socialist from Vermont (Sanders)does...


28 posted on 11/08/2010 5:49:24 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Conservative yes, Republican no.)
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To: HarleyD
There is no such thing as “Reagan Democrats”...

Do a search on the term. Keep the quotation marks. They were probably rats at the time. A lot of them are probably independents now that the rats are hard left.

29 posted on 11/08/2010 5:52:48 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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I’m changing his name to Jim “Obamacare” Webb.


30 posted on 11/08/2010 5:56:40 PM PST by ChuteTheMall (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: neverdem
During his campaign against George Allen, James Webb mixed anti capitalism with anti-Semitism. He is not like the proletarian socialists (Communists), but the National Socialists; i.e., Nazis.

It is no wonder the paleo Conservative rag, 'the American Conservative,' endorsed him for President.

Hopefully, we'll be rid of this evil con artists by 2012

31 posted on 11/08/2010 5:57:01 PM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: TonyInOhio
Webb will switch parties...but VA is smart enough to defeat him with a true Republican....
32 posted on 11/08/2010 5:59:34 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: neverdem
This pos wrote a novel in which a Vietnamese father put his son's genitals into his mouth... now I ask you... what kind of sick **** even thinks about that demented crap?

LLS

33 posted on 11/08/2010 6:00:12 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: neverdem

Jim Webb is a communist. Done.


34 posted on 11/08/2010 6:08:04 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: neverdem

Well, I did write that in a fit of blinding anger and unreasonable rage at the mention of the name of Jim Webb. :O)

Webb is not what I would classify as a “Reagan Democrat” nor do I believe you will find any Reagan Democrats in Congress. As some of the articles suggest, a “Reagan Democrat” would never have allowed themselves to vote for abortion in a health care bill, or amass the deficit without finding some way to pay for it, or voted for this health care bill without reading it.

What you saw in this election were the “Reagan Democrats” moving towards the Republicans through the Tea Party movement. That is the only explanation of Republicans winning Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, etc. If the Republicans fail to bend to the will of the Tea Party, they will lose them again but it wouldn’t surprise me to see another party arise that is focus on fiscal constraint.


35 posted on 11/08/2010 6:09:39 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: neverdem
"Scum liberal" Webb's ACU rating : 14.67.
36 posted on 11/08/2010 6:24:08 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: neverdem

Jim Webb is positioning himself for the next election.


37 posted on 11/08/2010 6:24:26 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit.)
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To: shield

Webb will switch parties...but VA is smart enough to defeat him with a true Republican....


The Take Down The Right Soros Media took down George Allen over ‘macaca’ at about the same time they took down W with Kanye (may be burn in hell) ‘George Bush hates black people’.

We took down the left, now we have to take down the left media.


38 posted on 11/08/2010 6:39:00 PM PST by txhurl (If we can shake Congress like a can of pennies, we can uproot voter fraud like a D-9.)
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To: pnh102

Amen. He’s a piece of walking excrement. Nothing “moderate” about this pinko.


39 posted on 11/08/2010 6:39:05 PM PST by mike-zed
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To: neverdem

To understand Webb you have to read his book, Born Fighting” about the Scots who settled in America.

It clearly outlines his admiration for his own Scots forbears who would proudly wear the appellation of ‘redneck’.

I think his lower-class oe blue-collar populism is based on his feelings and beliefs about their problems with the American elite and being largely excluded from the fruits of a society they helped build and died for.


40 posted on 11/08/2010 6:43:14 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: HarleyD

What you saw in this election were the “Reagan Democrats” moving towards the Republicans through the Tea Party movement.


I’m going to go out on a limb here and say America saw what conservative Texas was doing right, e.g., no RATS, and voted the same for their own state.

RATS have now been by their own actions defined in the dictionary as disease and death to any part of the United States they sink their fangs into.

Like Detroit.


41 posted on 11/08/2010 6:49:24 PM PST by txhurl (If we can shake Congress like a can of pennies, we can uproot voter fraud like a D-9.)
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To: txhurl
We HAVE to keep doing what the independents like, keep them voting. Not just for our own satisfaction and conscience, but to keep the indies with us.

Independents’ Day - Yes, Independent Voters Went Republican, And We Will Need To Keep Them

The first link has a range of 22 to 44 as the percent of independents in various states for the governor and senate races.

Republicans won the midterm elections. Now can they survive?

Americans' agenda is simple. In broad terms, they want the government to spur job growth, but not by subsidizing more government jobs with taxpayer dollars. They want Washington to balance the budget and reverse the growing influence of government on daily life. They want the government to encourage success, allow failure, punish those who break the law - and then get out of the way. And above all, they want politicians to follow through on their promises, even if that means tempering those promises in the first place.

They also show clear support for the following five ideas:

l (1) Balance the budget as quickly as possible through meaningful spending reductions, a hard spending cap and a constitutional amendment so that it never gets unbalanced again.

l (2) Eliminate all earmarks until the budget is balanced, then require a two-thirds vote by Congress for future earmark legislation.

l (3) Keep taxes down by requiring supermajorities for increases, and eventually enact tax reform with a simple, low, fair rate that drastically reduces the length of the IRS code.

l (4) Create a blue-ribbon task force that engages in a complete, line-by-line forensic audit of federal agencies and programs to end waste and reduce red tape and bureaucracy.

l (5) And require Congress to provide specific constitutional authorization for every bill it passes so that the government stays within the boundaries imagined by the founders.

One more thing: Voters want their representatives home in their districts and holding monthly town halls. The worst strategic mistake House Democrats made this year was canceling scores of public meetings, denying their constituents the chance to be heard. Hell hath no fury like a voter silenced, so the voters spoke in unison on Election Day.

I've found that each of these policies has at least 60 percent public support, so if you agree with most of them, it means you're in the American mainstream. It also means that - wait for it - you agree with the tea party.

It's been posted alredy. I linked directly the printer friendly version. The whole article is quite remarkable.

I think in the vast majority of the country that conservatives can take the majority of independents. In big cities and the two coasts, moderates may be the only candidates with any chance to win for now, IMHO.

42 posted on 11/08/2010 7:07:25 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The conversation soon shifted to healthcare. "I told him this was going to be a disaster," Webb recalls... ...

blah, blah, blah.... this guy is an effing liar. He voted FOR Obamacare, and if he ever thought it was a mistake he had EVERY opportunity to publicly say so. HE NEVER DID.

This is all about a Democrat looking at 2012 and fearing the wrath of the people. Be prepared to be bamboozled by Webb 'forgetting' all his liberal votes and becoming a one-year conservative.

Fools the people every time!

43 posted on 11/08/2010 8:47:11 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Sonny M

He has zero chance of getting any Dem Prez nomination.

His only chance of surviving 2012 is having the liberals at the WashPost cover his butt and make him out to be mr conservative. This is all about 2012 re-election.


44 posted on 11/08/2010 8:49:34 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: 84rules

He will not be respresenting Virgina after 2012.

Hopefully he won’t.....after all the cheerleading about Reid and Boxer not getting their seats back, I am cautiously optimistic but won’t be making blanket statements as you did. We do this all the time.....”Murk won’t get more than 8 percent of the write in vote”, “Dino is going to win 100 percent”, “Oregon is going Republican”, “O’Donnell has this in the bag”. I never understood why we do this. I think saying “We hope.....” is more realistic.


45 posted on 11/08/2010 8:54:07 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: WOSG
This is all about a Democrat looking at 2012 and fearing the wrath of the people. Be prepared to be bamboozled by Webb 'forgetting' all his liberal votes and becoming a one-year conservative.

Fools the people every time!

I posted the thread mainly for the author's comments about independents and Reagan rats. Webb made one comment about abortion that helped.

46 posted on 11/08/2010 9:36:58 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: WOSG
I'm not sure he thinks he even has a chance at re-election in 2012.

That said, I don't think he would win if he tried to get the nomination in for prez, but he would have an impact, which might be all he wants (or the VP slot from Biden).

He has an ego, he's unhappy, and he's on the irrelevant side now, that might be all the motivation the man needs to make an ass of himself.

47 posted on 11/08/2010 10:13:37 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: HarleyD
There is no such thing as “Reagan Democrats” just as there is no such thing as “Blue Dog Democrats” or “Pro-Life Democrats”

Maybe not now, or as much, but Reagan Democrats certainly existed........Pat Buchanan has written extensively about them....

I think its safe to say, that the democrats are kicking them out of the party...

48 posted on 11/08/2010 10:18:29 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Frantzie

A vote for Harry Reid. Toss ‘em. Oh yeah ... and he sucks on immigration.


49 posted on 11/09/2010 2:50:37 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: neverdem
The Virginia senator was meeting with the president to discuss Guantanamo detainees. The conversation soon shifted to healthcare. "I told him this was going to be a disaster," Webb recalls.

I respect Webb, but I find that comment very strange. If he knew the bill was going such a disaster, whey did he go ahead and vote for it anyway?

50 posted on 11/09/2010 10:05:30 AM PST by curiosity
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