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Hostage shot dead by Somali pirates
Reuters ^ | Nov. 7, 2010 | Abdi Guled

Posted on 11/07/2010 11:04:39 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

MOGADISHU, Nov 7 (Reuters) - A man was shot dead on Sunday after he refused to disembark from a yacht in the Indian Ocean that was hijacked by Somali pirates last week, pirates and residents said on Sunday.

The man was killed in Barawe town on the southern Somali coastline by pirates who had taken him hostage and wanted him to go onshore from his yacht in which he was sailing with others, including a woman and a boy.

His nationality was not immediately clear.

"He was shot and killed after he refused to disembark from his yacht and move onshore in Baraawe town," Ali Shuke, a resident in Baraawe town said.

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KEYWORDS: hostages; maritime; somalipirates
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To: Krankor

“the ships aren’t armed because of insurance reasons.”

I thought international law forbids arming of ships, not to mention local laws as they pull into ports forbid weapons.


21 posted on 11/07/2010 12:03:00 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Krankor
I'm actually surprised the Insurance companies that underwrite these ships and cargoes haven't done a little recruiting themselves. It seems to me that hiring a few “loss prevention technicians” would be much cheaper than making the payouts they do to the pirates.
22 posted on 11/07/2010 12:05:49 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: CodeToad

That may be true, but what about those “sound guns” or water cannons?


23 posted on 11/07/2010 12:06:35 PM PST by Krankor (I can't see me loving nobody but you- for all my life.)
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To: Krankor

Some countries ban those, too. the US and other countries need to ban together and sink any and all vessels, large or small, that are not registered to countries other than Samolia. In other words, if you can’t verify it isn’t Samoli, sink it.


24 posted on 11/07/2010 12:11:11 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

RIP.


25 posted on 11/07/2010 12:37:48 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: From The Deer Stand
For the life of me I don’t understand why these vessels don’t have guns and just blow the pirates out of the water.

Typically, the pirates target cargo ships. The crews on board aren't paid enough to care. They're certainly not going to risk their lives defending the ship as the pirates tend to treat them well. The owners of the cargo consider paying ransoms just part of the cost of doing business.

Obviously, this story changes things quite a bit.

26 posted on 11/07/2010 12:44:28 PM PST by Drew68
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To: aNYCguy
When the pirates give you an opportunity to disembark and head for shore, you do it.

Maybe... but don't they also advise crime victims to do anything possible to avoid being taken to a secondary scene?

27 posted on 11/07/2010 12:46:32 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: All

Time to drop B-52 loads of clusted bomb on every port city in that region.
Kill them all let, God sort them out.


28 posted on 11/07/2010 12:55:35 PM PST by troy McClure
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To: ccmay
Your tactics are sound, but to implement them requires a Commander in Chief, not the current Sympathizer in Chief. We'll have to wait a couple years for her. Until then we are not powerless. Part of the problem is the current pirate catch and release rules put out by State, DOJ and other Obama appointees and also by the Internationalists. Such rules, for the US, can and should originate elsewhere:
Article 1, Sect. 8. The Congress shall have power:
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To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
It doesn't say Barry gets a veto here, although Harry might be a problem. And Leiberman might bring enough friends to overcome Harry. The new House should at least try doing something here, in keeping with their apparent strategy of at least trying to win the agenda, even where they can't win the results. We don't need to declare war and I'd caution against employing the "Letters" option until significant public education were done; naive public opinion would be strongly (and incorrectly) against it and we need public support on bigger issues. But some Constitutional renewing of traditional piracy related laws would be a public opinion winner.

When its finally time to physically move on the pirates consider going after their logistical weakness, their khat supply. My understanding is most of the Somali fighters and pirates are addicted to that stimulant, but that the plant doesn't grow in Somalia. It's openly imported and only has a few day shelf life. Blocking that, at least temporarily, may be a simple, low risk exercise. The possibility of attacking while most of the enemy goes through drug withdrawal deserves at least a little Pentagon analysis. You might just get low rankers attacking their warlord drug suppliers in search of another fix.

29 posted on 11/07/2010 1:23:19 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (It's not an election, it's a restraining order! - P.J. OÂ’Rourke)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I bet his yacht wasn’t flying the Russian flag. I am certain the Somali pirates have now realized that the Russians will simply shoot the pirates on sight and sink their boats.


30 posted on 11/07/2010 3:28:46 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: CodeToad

Arms aboard ships on the high seas are governed by the nations whose flags they fly. American ships may carry any weapon it is permissible to own at home, up to and including registered NFA weapons.

Other countries’ national laws pertain in territorial waters, usually within 3 miles of shore. In many cases the harbor master or customs office will impound weapons while a boat is in port. But you had better be certain and get written permission in advance.

If i were sailing past Somalia i would buy a couple of cheap pump shotguns and chuck them overboard if I had to put in at any foreign port where they were illegal.


31 posted on 11/07/2010 5:01:06 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Maybe... but don't they also advise crime victims to do anything possible to avoid being taken to a secondary scene?

Well, that's true. This is sort of an ambiguous case.

I definitely agree that if someone points a gun at you and demands anything you own, you hand it to them, but if they point a gun at you and tell you to get into a car or otherwise go elsewhere, you resist to the death. I had figured this was the former case, but you're right, it could possibly have been a setup for a slightly lower-profile murder ashore somewhere. Seems less likely, though.
32 posted on 11/07/2010 5:12:02 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: troy McClure
Time to drop B-52 loads of clusted bomb on every port city in that region. Kill them all let, God sort them out.

This is the kind of comment so overwhelmingly stupid it makes me wonder if you're a liberal troll trying to make conservatives look bad. I suppose it's one step better than the "Nuke Mecca" folks, at least.
33 posted on 11/07/2010 5:19:23 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What better illustration of the fall of the West than our response to these pirates. Heck, you can’t even call them “barbarians” or “savages” for fear of being accused of trying to make “conservatives look bad”. Instead of bombing the bejeezus of these primitives, the West increases international aid to Somalia. Go figure.


34 posted on 11/07/2010 6:31:36 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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