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Hostage shot dead by Somali pirates
Reuters ^ | Nov. 7, 2010 | Abdi Guled

Posted on 11/07/2010 11:04:39 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

MOGADISHU, Nov 7 (Reuters) - A man was shot dead on Sunday after he refused to disembark from a yacht in the Indian Ocean that was hijacked by Somali pirates last week, pirates and residents said on Sunday.

The man was killed in Barawe town on the southern Somali coastline by pirates who had taken him hostage and wanted him to go onshore from his yacht in which he was sailing with others, including a woman and a boy.

His nationality was not immediately clear.

"He was shot and killed after he refused to disembark from his yacht and move onshore in Baraawe town," Ali Shuke, a resident in Baraawe town said.

(Excerpt) Read more at af.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hostages; maritime; somalipirates

1 posted on 11/07/2010 11:04:39 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

When the pirates give you an opportunity to disembark and head for shore, you do it.


2 posted on 11/07/2010 11:09:15 AM PST by aNYCguy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just some poor little terrorists doing the job that other pirates won’t do.


3 posted on 11/07/2010 11:10:03 AM PST by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: aNYCguy
"When the pirates give you an opportunity to disembark and head for shore, you do it."

I don't know...that sounds like one of those "lose-lose" situations.

4 posted on 11/07/2010 11:12:33 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
His nationality was not immediately clear I am thinking he is not a Russian.
5 posted on 11/07/2010 11:14:26 AM PST by ColdOne (Who Knew? MSNBC has ethics? Fired Keif!!!!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s about time we bomb the coastline - much like we did in 1815 - it’s time we deal with these Muslim pirates once and for all - death to them!


6 posted on 11/07/2010 11:15:28 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Better coverage here:

http://www.thepost.co.za/?fSectionId=3533&fArticleId=1.731051&fFeed=sanews

“An Al Shabaab rebel spokesman who declined to give his name earlier said the hostage killed was South African, and his body was lying in the morgue at the town’s hospital.

He said he had been notified of the victim’s nationality by the pirates.

Al Shabaab, an al Qaeda-linked rebel group, controls Barawe on the southern coast of the anarchic Horn of Africa nation that has been mired in violence and is awash with weapons since the overthrow of a dictator in 1991.

The UN-backed administration of President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed controls just a few blocks of the capital.”

“Earlier this week, Mwangura said he also was trying to verify reports that the sailors were British.

The British foreign office has said it had heard of the reports of the hijacking, and was investigating the incident.”


7 posted on 11/07/2010 11:16:48 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

For the life of me I don’t understand why these vessels don’t have guns and just blow the pirates out of the water. One warning shot and after that it would be all over. Or, what the heck, why waste a good warning shot?


8 posted on 11/07/2010 11:17:01 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: Free ThinkerNY

chances are if he had been put to shore on enemy turf so to speak, he wouldn’t of fared very well, quick and painless was probably a better option than long and drawn out.


9 posted on 11/07/2010 11:21:15 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The man was killed in Barawe town on the southern Somali coastline by pirates who had taken him hostage and wanted him to go onshore from his yacht in which he was sailing with others, including a woman and a boy.

I thought it was a worldwide agreement that ships and boats wouldn't carry weapons to defend themselves outside of military craft?

Oh that's right pirate ships are exempt.

10 posted on 11/07/2010 11:22:39 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: From The Deer Stand

I heard the ships are not armed because of insurance concerns....


11 posted on 11/07/2010 11:25:03 AM PST by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

A private yacht with a small crew might have a pistol, shotgun or rifle.

The pirates WILL HAVE AK-47s, RPGs and maybe frags.

To safely defend a small yacht you would need a .50BMG [Barret or similar] (reach out and touch someone!), several suitably backed Claymores and a few autoloaders. Plus the crew would have to be trained to use the weapons and willing to KILL their attackers.

Finally, the pirates often attack in high speed smaller boats based with a larger mother ship, i.e. they have reinforcements that you can’t outrun.

The solution is for nations to take out the pirates.

Another option was presented in Nevil Shute’s “Most Secret”.
http://www.amazon.com/Most-Secret-Nevil-Shute/dp/1842322699


12 posted on 11/07/2010 11:29:16 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites" - Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Joe 6-pack

And it’s a win-win situation for the pirates. Even when they’re caught, they’re almost always released- either outright or to some local “authority”. We need more situations like the one where the U.S. Navy ship was trailing the pirates who had the American as hostage. Idiot Obama gave orders to shoot only if the hostage’s life was in danger. Luckily, the Navy ship captain decided to “obey” Obama’s orders by waiting until one of the pirates scratched his nose the wrong way and the Navy sharpshooters blew two heads off. Obama was smart enough not to complain.


13 posted on 11/07/2010 11:34:02 AM PST by Krankor (I can't see me loving nobody but you- for all my life.)
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To: Krankor
Exactly. The civilized world continues to keep its collective head buried firmly in the sand. They refuse to acknowledge that these pirates have no regard for the lives of others, and they are merely operating on a very simple cost-benefit analysis. They would stop tomorrow if the price became too high.

Haven't heard of a Russian flagged ship being hijacked since they set a pirate crew adrift with no engine or water a few months back.

14 posted on 11/07/2010 11:38:03 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BwanaNdege

Among the many other problems is that most crewmen on freighters are Filipinos and Bangaladeshis and, etc. who are paid slave wages and are not trained or inclined to take up arms in defense of their boss’s ship. That’s why you have to pay big time for mercs.

I recall a scene in the Military Channel’s recent “Special Ops” reality show when our heroes are acting as unarmed fisheries enforcers for Liberia and they are boarding and searching an poaching fishing vessel. They’re unarmed and surrounded by the crew as they impound the boat but none of the men is about to raise a finger against them because they’re not getting paid to do that sort of thing and it ain’t their boat anyway.

I was wondering at the time what would have happened if the captain of the poacher had suddenly held up a fistful of greenbacks and started screaming that any man who helped him pound these guys and throw them overboard would be paid $1000.00 on the spot?


15 posted on 11/07/2010 11:43:16 AM PST by sinanju
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To: aNYCguy

The Somalis have been given a free pass by the West because they are black. Somalis are a global cancer. Ask Minnesota, Maine, the UK and Denver airport. Evil evil people.


16 posted on 11/07/2010 11:43:54 AM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Krankor

The Navy saved Obama’s bacon. A few more days and Barry-as-pirate t-shirts would have hit the streets and Obama would have been the World’s laughingstock.


17 posted on 11/07/2010 11:45:29 AM PST by sinanju
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To: BCW

Long Overdue.


18 posted on 11/07/2010 11:48:44 AM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hows do you stop this? Sink every boat in that town’s harbor. Repeat as necessary.


19 posted on 11/07/2010 11:48:56 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Joe 6-pack; sinanju

It is solely a “cost effective” response. As another Freeper mentioned, the ships aren’t armed because of insurance reasons. If Obama authorized the same type of response as the drone attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the pirates would lose heart really fast. And I’m talking about, once you identify a mother ship, you blow it out of the water- no chance to surrender or debate or even talk. Just blow them away.


20 posted on 11/07/2010 12:00:13 PM PST by Krankor (I can't see me loving nobody but you- for all my life.)
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To: Krankor

“the ships aren’t armed because of insurance reasons.”

I thought international law forbids arming of ships, not to mention local laws as they pull into ports forbid weapons.


21 posted on 11/07/2010 12:03:00 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Krankor
I'm actually surprised the Insurance companies that underwrite these ships and cargoes haven't done a little recruiting themselves. It seems to me that hiring a few “loss prevention technicians” would be much cheaper than making the payouts they do to the pirates.
22 posted on 11/07/2010 12:05:49 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: CodeToad

That may be true, but what about those “sound guns” or water cannons?


23 posted on 11/07/2010 12:06:35 PM PST by Krankor (I can't see me loving nobody but you- for all my life.)
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To: Krankor

Some countries ban those, too. the US and other countries need to ban together and sink any and all vessels, large or small, that are not registered to countries other than Samolia. In other words, if you can’t verify it isn’t Samoli, sink it.


24 posted on 11/07/2010 12:11:11 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

RIP.


25 posted on 11/07/2010 12:37:48 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: From The Deer Stand
For the life of me I don’t understand why these vessels don’t have guns and just blow the pirates out of the water.

Typically, the pirates target cargo ships. The crews on board aren't paid enough to care. They're certainly not going to risk their lives defending the ship as the pirates tend to treat them well. The owners of the cargo consider paying ransoms just part of the cost of doing business.

Obviously, this story changes things quite a bit.

26 posted on 11/07/2010 12:44:28 PM PST by Drew68
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To: aNYCguy
When the pirates give you an opportunity to disembark and head for shore, you do it.

Maybe... but don't they also advise crime victims to do anything possible to avoid being taken to a secondary scene?

27 posted on 11/07/2010 12:46:32 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: All

Time to drop B-52 loads of clusted bomb on every port city in that region.
Kill them all let, God sort them out.


28 posted on 11/07/2010 12:55:35 PM PST by troy McClure
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To: ccmay
Your tactics are sound, but to implement them requires a Commander in Chief, not the current Sympathizer in Chief. We'll have to wait a couple years for her. Until then we are not powerless. Part of the problem is the current pirate catch and release rules put out by State, DOJ and other Obama appointees and also by the Internationalists. Such rules, for the US, can and should originate elsewhere:
Article 1, Sect. 8. The Congress shall have power:
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To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
It doesn't say Barry gets a veto here, although Harry might be a problem. And Leiberman might bring enough friends to overcome Harry. The new House should at least try doing something here, in keeping with their apparent strategy of at least trying to win the agenda, even where they can't win the results. We don't need to declare war and I'd caution against employing the "Letters" option until significant public education were done; naive public opinion would be strongly (and incorrectly) against it and we need public support on bigger issues. But some Constitutional renewing of traditional piracy related laws would be a public opinion winner.

When its finally time to physically move on the pirates consider going after their logistical weakness, their khat supply. My understanding is most of the Somali fighters and pirates are addicted to that stimulant, but that the plant doesn't grow in Somalia. It's openly imported and only has a few day shelf life. Blocking that, at least temporarily, may be a simple, low risk exercise. The possibility of attacking while most of the enemy goes through drug withdrawal deserves at least a little Pentagon analysis. You might just get low rankers attacking their warlord drug suppliers in search of another fix.

29 posted on 11/07/2010 1:23:19 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (It's not an election, it's a restraining order! - P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I bet his yacht wasn’t flying the Russian flag. I am certain the Somali pirates have now realized that the Russians will simply shoot the pirates on sight and sink their boats.


30 posted on 11/07/2010 3:28:46 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: CodeToad

Arms aboard ships on the high seas are governed by the nations whose flags they fly. American ships may carry any weapon it is permissible to own at home, up to and including registered NFA weapons.

Other countries’ national laws pertain in territorial waters, usually within 3 miles of shore. In many cases the harbor master or customs office will impound weapons while a boat is in port. But you had better be certain and get written permission in advance.

If i were sailing past Somalia i would buy a couple of cheap pump shotguns and chuck them overboard if I had to put in at any foreign port where they were illegal.


31 posted on 11/07/2010 5:01:06 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Maybe... but don't they also advise crime victims to do anything possible to avoid being taken to a secondary scene?

Well, that's true. This is sort of an ambiguous case.

I definitely agree that if someone points a gun at you and demands anything you own, you hand it to them, but if they point a gun at you and tell you to get into a car or otherwise go elsewhere, you resist to the death. I had figured this was the former case, but you're right, it could possibly have been a setup for a slightly lower-profile murder ashore somewhere. Seems less likely, though.
32 posted on 11/07/2010 5:12:02 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: troy McClure
Time to drop B-52 loads of clusted bomb on every port city in that region. Kill them all let, God sort them out.

This is the kind of comment so overwhelmingly stupid it makes me wonder if you're a liberal troll trying to make conservatives look bad. I suppose it's one step better than the "Nuke Mecca" folks, at least.
33 posted on 11/07/2010 5:19:23 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What better illustration of the fall of the West than our response to these pirates. Heck, you can’t even call them “barbarians” or “savages” for fear of being accused of trying to make “conservatives look bad”. Instead of bombing the bejeezus of these primitives, the West increases international aid to Somalia. Go figure.


34 posted on 11/07/2010 6:31:36 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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