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John Boehner's "GobGop" Plan to Sell Out the Tea Party in 2013. It Will Begin in January 2011.
Gary North's Specific Answers ^ | November 6, 2010 | Gary North

Posted on 11/06/2010 9:38:01 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

First, you must understand that Boehner is a GobGop: a Good Old Boy of the Grand Old Party. The GobGops' goal is to keep the present system funded by the Bigs: Big Business, Big Pharma, Big Oil, and Big Banking. If you do not understand this, then you are as naive as a Democrat who thinks Obama speaks for The Common Man.

Boehner shilled for Hank Paulson and Goldman Sachs by begging the Republicans to vote for the $750+ billion Big Bank Bailout in 2008. Watch his emotional performance here. "We just have to do it!" No, they didn't. Ron Paul told it straight. He is no GobGop.

Boehner is going to do it again. He has already told us what he intends to do.

The obvious target is Obamacare. The Tea Party voters hate it. They regard it as an affront.

You've probably seen this. It's all over the Web. It's supposedly from Maxine, the cartoon character who speaks for geezerdom.

Let me get this straight . . . . We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan

we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't,
Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn't read it
but exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,
for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect,
by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
and financed by a country that's broke!!!!!

'What the heck could possibly go wrong?'

This is all true. Tea Party people know it's all true. They threw the rascals out . . . but left enough of them behind to sell us out.

Boehner told a Fox News interviewer what he plans to do: (1) repeal Obamacare; (2) pass another heath care law. You can see the video here. Here is a direct quote:

"This health care bill will ruin the best health care system in the world, and it will bankrupt our country. We are going to repeal ObamaCare and replace it with common sense reforms that will bring down the cost of health insurance."

Big Pharma is not threatened by this. Big Pharma will clean up either way.

If Boehner is politically savvy, he will have the Republicans introduce a repeal bill as soon as he takes over as Speaker of the House. The following will then take place.

1. A straight party vote will pass it.
2. In the Senate, the Democrats will not pass it.
3. Boehner will then begin a two-year campaign:

"The Republican Party is committed to a repeal of Obamacare. In 2012, you will have another opportunity to vote the Democrats out of power in the Senate, and give the Republicans a President who will sign this bill."

He will play to the Tea Party. He will gain their trust. He will throw down the gauntlet on health insurance from day one. He will hammer relentlessly on this for two years.

The goal here is to get the Tea Party voters into his camp. He is a GobGop. But it's obvious that he will score lots of points by doing this.

In 2012, the Republicans will take over the Senate and elect a President. It will repeal Obamacare. Then the Republican GobGops will introduce another huge bill that they promise will cut medical costs.

They will not cut spending. They will not raise taxes. They will preside over a gigantic deficit.

The pork will continue to flow.

The Tea Party people will sense betrayal. Then we will see how committed they are to getting the spending under control . . . in 2015. Too late, I think.

The sell-out is coming. It will be business as usual. The GobGops now control the House. They can posture all they want, knowing the Senate will block their token spending cuts. The GobGops will scream: "If we only controlled the Senate! If we only controlled the White House! Then we could get spending under control!" You know: the way they did under Bush.

It will make great political theater. Punch and Judy will perform a real donnybrook. A good time will be had by all.

The Bigs will get bigger. They always do.

Forward this to friends. Post it on Twitter and Facebook. The troops need to be warned what's coming.


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I'm not sure whether this guy actually believes this is what will happen, or whether he is attempting to divide conservatives. I guess we'll find out in 2013...
1 posted on 11/06/2010 9:38:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Well, in any system that believes in the power of free enterprise there are going to be some biggies and some littles. That doesn’t translate to having pre-picked the biggies as the winners or any ideological commitment to keeping the biggies all at that size or not letting littles grow to join their ranks.


2 posted on 11/06/2010 9:41:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just repeal it, period! Replace it with the free enterprise system. We don’t need no steenking government systems to control healthcare or anything else!!


3 posted on 11/06/2010 9:42:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hear, hear! (There, there! Where, where?)


4 posted on 11/06/2010 9:44:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Do not trust the Republicans

If they don’t realize they are washed up and out of business we must make them see

The NWO is DEAD, but it will not give up without a fight and the old Republicans are a part of it. The American people in the form of the TEA PARTY has given the Republicans an opportunity, but if they blow it THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!

Mark my words..............the American people will not be taken over like a bunch of saps by the NWO creeps.

Take that you Obamaloons and you Republican turncoats.


5 posted on 11/06/2010 9:44:50 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Bachmann needs to be part of the advance party to takeover control of the GOP. RINOs have a way of publicly outing themselves eventually. Bohner needs to be closely watched by the 80 freshpersons.


6 posted on 11/06/2010 9:47:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; ...
This will be interesting. Right now all we will see is political posturing on both sides till January. Boehner will likely try anything that he thinks will help him (Republicans) politically. He wont try suicidal stuff. Winning is his main concern. Still don't know how that will play out.

I think he has the wind at his back politically against Democrats given Obama has the Senate. It gives him more freedom of action politically.

Agree about his RINO past, he should not be Speaker. But heck, I hated McCain.

7 posted on 11/06/2010 9:47:57 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Anyone you vote into office could betray you in this manner. Just ask the extreme left how they feel about Obama. But that doesn't mean they will. Be vigilant, punish betrayal, and run candidates who can reasonably be assumed to be loyal to the cause in the primaries of both parties. Wash, rinse, repeat—relentlessly, implacably, in the full knowledge that reversing a century of error may take a few decades. Take over from within, incrementally, but always seeking to make forward progress.
8 posted on 11/06/2010 9:56:00 PM PDT by sourcery (Poor Nancy: From Speaker OF the House to...Speaker UNDER the House)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It is we the poeple who have begun to nudge this Titanic in the right direction. It has just begun.

We fell asleep and trusted the leaders in 94 to do what we elected them to do. Let us never sleep again.

Give money and give voice. Whichever is your God given gift and let’s turn the Free Republic, Tea Party movement into the largest human movement since the Declaration of Independance.


9 posted on 11/06/2010 9:56:48 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Rep Elec Andy Harris Republican (MD - 1) has already said the first week/month of the Congress he will offer legislation to repeal 0bamacare.


10 posted on 11/06/2010 9:56:51 PM PDT by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: yldstrk

I would not hold my breath waiting on repeal.
The senate would have to agree, then Zero would have to sign.
The GOP will use it as a campaign issue for 2012 and get a majority in the senate and maybe the presidency. And then you will have about 4-5 RINO’s figure out some way around repealing it. I can hear a lot of freepers now... just give us more senators and we will repeal it. I very much hope I’m wrong but the reality is it will be another entitlement that will NEVER go away. Can anybody give me a solution to repealing it? I’m open to any ways to do it.


11 posted on 11/06/2010 9:58:41 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I, personally, do not completely trust Boehner--been there too long and too entrenched and not a strong outspoken conservative. He has a chance here and I hope he doesn't blow it.---He bears watching! At the first hint of giving in to compromise, he's blown it.

vaudine

12 posted on 11/06/2010 9:59:32 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I don’t trust any of them...


13 posted on 11/06/2010 10:00:57 PM PDT by The Mayor (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I say attempting to divide conservatives and not so subtly, either.
14 posted on 11/06/2010 10:01:10 PM PDT by beckysueb
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some of this may be true, but it is also true that if the y did have the Senate and White House they could repeal Obamacare and replace it.

Now THEN, if they didn’t, and STILL kept giving excuses, there would be hell to pay.

I think OUR main job for the next two years is being AS CRITICAL of the Repubs in the house and senate and making it very clear we will not put up with them blaming the tea party, marginalizing said members, spying on them with career GOP staffers, trying to control them, and expecting us to jsut live with it. We need to be on the OLD republicans’ asses from RIGHT NOW even before they take over and make sure they know THEY WILL SUFFER if they do not get with the will of the conservatives that came out en masse against Obama.

Get it? It wasn’t a vote for McCAIN and other RINOs and deathbed converts to conservatism, it was voting against what the dems have pulled the last 2 years.

We can do it again. Our money doesn’t flow to RNC PACs but right to the candidates themselves.


15 posted on 11/06/2010 10:06:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: tennmountainman

Defund Obamacare in the House....the House controls the purse strings. Defund it whether Boehner likes it or not.

Perhaps another massive TEA Party in Washington is necessary to get their attention.


16 posted on 11/06/2010 10:08:49 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (2010 was the start of the house cleaning......on to 2012 for further victories!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Gary North is eithere a.) dangerously paranoid or b.) an agent provocateur.

In either event, his views are best dismissed.

17 posted on 11/06/2010 10:08:52 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I believe he is 100% Correcto Mundo!!!!
This is why I keep saying the RINOs are not spineless, nor are they Dummies. They are players from another team, playing on the field under the guise of a stolen uniform!
RINOs are not conservatives, are not dumb, are not weak, but instead are cunning, sneaky, double-crossing, opportunist (or controlled operatives) who have as their objective, after gaining riches, the destruction of Conservatives!

It’s just that simple, so the really important war to isolate, neuter, and eventually Kill RINOs (politically speaking, of course) has just begun!

In the Midterms Conservatives got some fresh troops on the playing field, but there remains many RINOs laying in wait to ambush them!


18 posted on 11/06/2010 10:09:05 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As an Alaskan who just experienced the duplicity of the GOP selling out Joe Miller it sounds all too real for me. Socialism needs two legs to walk. The parties appear to oppose one another but in the end they walk in the same direction. Don’t put your trust in men of either party. There really isn’t much difference in the end.


19 posted on 11/06/2010 10:09:54 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He is not for the people. It’s time to get another Speaker of the House. He and others want to keep their gravy train coming. They have probably invested in ia lot of stuff we don’t know about. Probably global bs.


20 posted on 11/06/2010 10:10:14 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The Republicans of the house and senate have two years. You stated it well. They will get the wrath of freedom and the tea party everywhere. The dems can suck bananas.


21 posted on 11/06/2010 10:12:27 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Let me play devils advocate. Would the senate, there again have to go along? Then you would have a government shut-down. And the GOP have already said they will not shut down the government?


22 posted on 11/06/2010 10:12:29 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: strongbow

“There really isn’t much difference in the end”

As Savage likes to say, “They are two wings of the same bird of prey”


23 posted on 11/06/2010 10:14:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

History shows that it WILL happen unless the fresmen congressmen organize to stop it now.

Divide conservatives, NO ! Conservatives need to unite against these country club sell our progressives who do nothing but thwart the will of the people.

The GOP is where it is today because of the conservative vote.And we demand a conservative speaker of the house.

Boener just won’t cut it:

1)

Rep. John A. Boehner’s vote last month against a bill cracking down on illegal immigration is sending “tremors” through the House Republican Conference as the Ohio lawmaker pushes his candidacy for House majority leader.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/11/20060111-121934-8017r/

2)
John Boehner Shows His RINO Stripes As He Hints at Bush Tax Cut Deal with Obama

http://www.zimbio.com/John+Boehner/articles/ugmzQJARQW2/John+Boehner+Shows+RINO+Stripes+Hints+Bush

3)
Boehner is leading the charge to de-fund ACORN, but in the same breath he is willing to support the campaign of this alleged Republican, Dede Scozzafava:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/10/grim_rino_tales.html

4)

BOEHNER: RAISE SOCIAL SECURITY RETIREMENT AGE TO 70

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/06/boehner-raise-social-security.html

5) Dick Armey Backs Boehner’s Strategy On Tax Cuts (Armey racking up RINO chits today)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2588320/posts

And I could post another 30 links.

WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!

We want and need a conservative speaker with backbone, and the inflexible will to forward the conservative agenda of Death Care repeal and tax cuts. Boener is not the man for the job.His record clearly shows that.Eric Chantor is no better.

One of these Republican leaders would do MUCH better:

Paul Ryan

Darrell Issa

Marsha Blackburn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11622774

Now progressives can waive your bi-partisan wand for Boener all you want. It will not change his record. And for same reason you do not understand that every time Republicans achieve power they knuckle under to the Dems bi partisan meme. WHY? Power is meant to be exercised on behalf of conservative voters who fueled this win, and no need to apologize either.

The dems are afraid that they will get some of their own medicine and they fear the conservative agenda. Republicans were LOCKED OUT of the legislative conference on death care. Pelosi even changed the locks on the congressional conference room doors to keep Republicans out, and now the Dems plead for bi partisanship?

Buahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

We need to exercise some authority and unity to get the conservative agenda done.Boener and Chantor will not do that IMHO.

ITS TIME!!!

WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!


24 posted on 11/06/2010 10:14:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: eyedigress

And not just conservatives will vote them out. Lots of independents will too if they do not do what they promised they would do. People are getting more pissed off government is not representing them the way they believed it would. Some of these issues are larger than party, like destroying the currency, running up debt we’ll never pay back, destroying 1000’s of years of contract law by forcing unwilling parties into contracts they do not want to be in (mandated health insurance), a federal government that’s unconsitutionally micro-managing all aspects of our lives and at each point, taking away freedoms they have no right to take away. And more.


25 posted on 11/06/2010 10:17:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: strongbow

“The parties appear to oppose one another but in the end they walk in the same direction”

Kind of like wrestlers. They trash talk each other, get in ring, put on a show. Then they get on the same bus heading out to the next venue, to do it all over again.


26 posted on 11/06/2010 10:18:03 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: sourcery

I love your tagline!! Now we need a FReeper to photoshop a visual!!


27 posted on 11/06/2010 10:23:27 PM PDT by LADY J (Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Gary North?

The same Gary North who stated with 99.99 percent certainty that Y2K was going to decimate the world as we know it?

The same Gary North whose unending stream of predictions ALL proved WRONG!? That Gary North?

Yeah... sure... whatever you say, Gary (poster clicks the “off” button).


28 posted on 11/06/2010 10:26:40 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The source post is devoid of facts or evidence. If you assume that is true, what is your recourse? Either abandoning the electoral process or going third party (two ways of doing the same thing). Gary North’s origins in the John Birch Society make his political analysis without any redeeming value. Stick to economics and finance, Gary.


29 posted on 11/06/2010 10:27:10 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In 2012 another third of the Senate comes up for an election as will the house again. We will see how that goes then.
Either there is a lot of effort soon or there will be lots of primary challenges all over, maybe even as Democrats where parties cross over to vote in the primaries.


30 posted on 11/06/2010 10:27:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly! There IS a problem with health care, but it’s TOO MUCH government involvement, the residue of TOO MUCH goobermint involvement in years gone past, and of an industry that thinks acting like the government is a successful business model. HSA’s for all! HMO’s against the wall!


31 posted on 11/06/2010 10:28:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We got to hold their feet to the fire and remind them on what it took to get them in there. I am hopeful but we must continue the work to enforce those values and principles and make sure they stick to the program. We must realize that we might not get 100% of what we want and this will take time but we must strive to make it as close to that mark as we can.


32 posted on 11/06/2010 10:30:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“In 2012, the Republicans will take over the Senate and elect a President. It will repeal Obamacare. Then the Republican GobGops will introduce another huge bill that they promise will cut medical costs. They will not cut spending. They will not raise taxes. They will preside over a gigantic deficit. The pork will continue to flow.”

Uhm... that’s HIS opinion... ABSENT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to back up his contention. More “predictions” propagated by “THE” KING of WRONG predictions!


33 posted on 11/06/2010 10:32:30 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: Candor7

I like Paul Ryan.


34 posted on 11/06/2010 10:34:39 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“Boehner told a Fox News interviewer what he plans to do: (1) repeal Obamacare; (2) pass another heath care law.”

“In 2012, the Republicans will take over the Senate and elect a President. It will repeal Obamacare. Then the Republican GobGops will introduce another huge bill that they promise will cut medical costs.”

Wonder if this is what Boehner has in mind:

The Healthy Americans Act / Wyden-Bennett

35 posted on 11/06/2010 10:42:50 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia (Democrat's theme song: Gypsies, Tramps & Thieves)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Gary North??? Mr. Y2K...uh, I don’t think this guy knows which end is up.

John Boehner fought Obamacare and Cap n Crap...tooth and toenail. Without control of both houses and the elimination of Obama, there can be no repeal of Obamacare. That will come in due time.

Right now, it will be defund and defang.

Our work has just started. Keep up the good fight and don’t give up.


36 posted on 11/06/2010 10:45:07 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (BOYCOTT NEVADA...!!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I think we always have to be very careful when we cite history to justify criticism of politicians acting on economic matters. This author, Gary North, refers us to a speech in the well of the House of John Boehner in support of Tarp-this was not in support of the subsequent "porkulus" bill engineered by Barak Obama and not supported by any Republican except the one from New Orleans.

This is a very different matter from the "porkulus" bill and it cannot reasonably be summoned up to support a projection of Boehner's future behavior. We simply do not not yet know how Boehner is going to behave and his speech about tarp is of very little instructive use. We do know that he voted against "porkulus" and everything else that came along including Obama care, as did the rest of the Republicans almost unanimously.

At the time of the tarp Bill I posted this reply expressing my lack of clarity on the matter. I reproduce this reply from 2008 to remind us all how difficult such an emergency situation can be for those charged with the protection of the Republic:

"I have not yet posted on the wisdom of the bail out because, frankly, I do not know what to say. I do not know what to say because of the things I do not know. First, I do not know if the bailout plan will work. Second, I do not know if the entire world system will crash without such a plan. Third, I do not know what the odds are of either a successful bailout or a world crash so I cannot weigh the severity of potential harm against the likelihood of the harm occurring.

I know what my ideology is, I am opposed to government meddling in the economy on the way up and on the way down either by picking winners or by rescuing losers. On the other hand, I recognize the extreme danger to the very survival of my ideology should the country descend into a depression. I am well read enough to know about the Great Depression and what it did to other democracies around the world and how close our own American democracy came to descending into communism. So, I do not know in which direction lurks a greater danger to the ideal of conservatism.

I do know that the Constitution as written prohibits virtually every facet of the proposed bailout plan. I know that no federal court that I can think of will conceivably declare any part of the plan to be repugnant to the constitution. Therefore, I know I cannot rely on the courts to protect the Constitution. However, I also know that the political will will triumph regardless of the Constitution and it is bootless to fall on one's ideological sword to no purpose.

I do not know what it is like to live through a depression although my father has described what it was like in the rural South when people literally had no money and had to contrive a barter economy. On the other hand, I do not know what it is like to live through a raging inflation such as was sustained here in Germany during the Weimar and even today in Zimbabwe. I do not know if doing nothing will generate a depression. I do not know if these bailouts will generate hyperinflation.

I do know that if abandoning my ideology long enough to countenance the bailout would save the country from a depression, I would do it in a heartbeat.

I am not sure that those people on these threads who claim to know the answers to all these questions really know what they're talking about. I do not know if they are so sure about their facts only because they are so certain in their ideology. I do not know if those people who are so certain in their opposition to the bailout, including our national pundits, are so certain only because otherwise their ox gets gored. So I do not know how to come down on one side or the other based on the motives of the partisans on either side of the bailout question. I simply do not know what their motives really are.

I do know that economics is called the dismal science and now I know why.

Given the state of my ignorance, I am going to embark on a new course, I am going to practice humility."

Later after the bill was law, a posted retrospectively on the matter (tarp) as follows:

[Quoting a FReeper:] Only when the market has corrected the imbalances made during the boom can recovery begin to take place. Government policy can postpone the correction (at the expense of longer term pain), but it can’t prevent the correction from occurring.

"I'm inclined to agree with it because it makes common sense to me. But what about the idea (which in fairness you allude to) that government intervention can change the timeline and provide opportunity for a softer landing granting the market time to make its correction in a less violent way. That might be very desirable because the very violence of a sharp market correction might destroy the entire economic structure. That, at least, was the argument confronting George Bush when he had to make his decision. I think what I have described is approximately George Bush's justification for what he did.[In fact, I think Bush does make that argument in his recent memoir.] The difficulty of predictability in the dismal science because of the difficulty in isolating changing values, because the study is one of moving targets, should provoke a great deal of humility in asserting our doctrines.

George Bush did not have the luxury of academic debate. As I said before, the downside if George Bush was wrong was the loss of a few hundred billion dollars (not counting what the Fed did) and the downside if you were wrong is destruction of our entire financial system and the end of the American way of life. George Bush had to make that decision on the spot. I cannot fault him even though you and I have the luxury of hindsight."

So before we indict and convict John Boehner, or any other Republican, let's put these matters in perspective and let's not forget how they voted on every other issue that came along.

I do not understand the point of this article except to rave.


37 posted on 11/06/2010 10:47:14 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Worthless gibberish .
38 posted on 11/06/2010 10:56:17 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Big oil? Big pharma? The writer is not a conservative. This is agitprop.


39 posted on 11/06/2010 10:59:23 PM PDT by casuist (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: fantom
Bugger off!


40 posted on 11/06/2010 11:04:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: tennmountainman

Excellent metaphor! The Republicans and Democrats play good cop bad cop, but both parties have the same goals imo.


41 posted on 11/07/2010 1:04:57 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The author is a “stir-the-pot”, “end of the world” loon and should be ignored.

We will watch EVERYBODY in office, whether they be Republican, Democrat, Tea Party, or Socialist!


42 posted on 11/07/2010 3:17:29 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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This is all pure conjecture and I don’t see it as productive in any way at this point. These guys haven’t even held one legislative session yet and there are already accusations they are selling us out? Chill. The next 2 years will be telling, right now this is just noise.


43 posted on 11/07/2010 4:09:48 AM PST by driveinsummer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I would doubt this, but for the reputation of the author.


44 posted on 11/07/2010 4:25:58 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: yldstrk

“The NWO is DEAD”

Nope. The NWO really got going under FDR, who introduced the USA and Socialism to each other. Since then NWO has taken hits and each time uses those setbacks to advance it’s agenda.

It’s not going away because it has a military date with Jesus Christ at the field of Megiddo.


45 posted on 11/07/2010 4:29:37 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: tennmountainman
The GOP will use it as a campaign issue for 2012 and get a majority in the senate and maybe the presidency. And then you will have about 4-5 RINO’s figure out some way around repealing it.
The point, surely, is that we must fight in the primaries for senate races in '12 just like we did this year. There will be more Democrat incumbents to attack in '12, and probably a RINO or two to boot.
With that many targets, we have a lively hope of getting, not just a Republican majority but an actual conservative majority in the Senate.
Always assuming that the new Congress will keep the initiative by investigating the malfeasances and abuses of this administration.

BTW, has anyone checked to see how many FBI files on GWB white house employees have been accessed by Obama?


46 posted on 11/07/2010 4:42:49 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This would be a fairly accurate assessment if there were no Conservative ascendency. If there were no Sarah Palin pushing the right flank.

I therefore do not buy the threat.


47 posted on 11/07/2010 4:48:20 AM PST by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I would like to see what kind of brain cramps this astute thinker was having two and a half years ago. If he couldn’t predict an electoral upset as huge as the one we just witnessed why should I give two whoops in hell what he imagines about events more than two years in the future?


48 posted on 11/07/2010 4:55:44 AM PST by csmusaret (Tax revenue increased 39% from2002 to 2007 as a result of the Bush tax cuts.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'm not sure whether this guy actually believes this is what will happen, or whether he is attempting to divide conservatives.

It's pretty sad that you aren't able to tell. Look into the author's background. His loony Y2K Armageddon predictions haven't changed in ten years.

Gary North is attempting to divide conservatives and from the looks of the posts on this thread, he is successfully doing so. What did John Boehner say this week about Obamacare? He vowed to REPEAL it. He VOWED to repeal it. He said, We’ll make sure ObamaCare “never, ever, ever is implemented”.

Some people here seem to want an entire field of wheat to become loaves of bread, instantly, right before their eyes, and unless that happens, they'll piss on the field so it can't even be threshed much less kneaded into dough.

49 posted on 11/07/2010 5:43:40 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m not sure whether this guy actually believes this is what will happen.
NO but he is selling the Tea Party people will sense betrayal.No big wonder what side of the fence he’s on.


50 posted on 11/07/2010 5:50:08 AM PST by Vaduz
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