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Is China Still on the Communist Road? (Trevor Loudon finds 'extremely important article')
Gulag Bound ^ | October 10, 2010 | Trevor Loudon

Posted on 10/10/2010 4:02:30 PM PDT by unspun

Many Western analysts make a huge mistake when commenting on changes inside communist countries.

This mistake has huge huge consequences in terms of Western foreign and trade policy and ultimately for the survival of Western civilization itself.

The mistake is to assume that because a communist country seems to be adopting capitalist production methods, that this signals a softening on the part of communist leaders and even an eventual abandonment of communism per se.

In the 1920s many Westerners claimed that Lenin's New Economic Policy, which allowed some free enterprise to operate signaled the death of communism.

For thirty rears commentators have been heralding "market reforms" in China as a sign that Beijing will eventually abandon communism and somehow become a capitalist, democratic nation.

This is of course wishful thinking at best and in some cases may be deliberate disinformation.

US foreign policy has been based on this assumption since the 1970s. This has resulted in a US economy indebted to China and considerable Chinese money and influence inside the US political process.

It has resulted in a foolish attempt to ally with China against Russia, while behind the scenes, the Russians and Chinese continued to collaborate against the US and other Western powers.

In my opinion, as Western economic, military and political unity continue to deteriorate, the Russians and Chinese will continue to plan for a "one closed fist" strike to finish off America for good.

If Russia and China and their allies in Latin America, Africa and the Islamic world are allowed to take out America, this planet will enter into a new Dark Age of unparalleled human suffering and universal slavery.

The stakes are very high, this is not merely and academic question....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: china; communism; communist; marxism; prc

1 posted on 10/10/2010 4:02:33 PM PDT by unspun
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2 posted on 10/10/2010 4:03:21 PM PDT by unspun (It's the Sovereignty, Stu... um... art. | WE ARE GULAG BOUND)
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To: unspun

It’s more Fascist than Communist.


3 posted on 10/10/2010 4:09:02 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: unspun

The day the chinese communist party feels that free-market reforms have run their course and are no longer helpful to the state, it will be shot and its organs harvested.


4 posted on 10/10/2010 4:24:07 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Is America still on the communist road?


5 posted on 10/10/2010 4:26:34 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: unspun

In Vietnam the communists have a 3-way laboratory.

The north is more authoritarian, even if more economically open since the Doi Moi (open door?) policy of the late eighties.

The center, Hue, Danang...to about Nha Trang is a little more of a mixed bag...noticeably freer economically yet the reins are still about, if a little looser.

Saigon though is essentially wide open, HCMC be dammned. The commies must be in on the take somewhere, but that place is a hot-bed of free enterprise.

Thus goes the war, which is still being fought...by Americans through ideas if not numbers. Whether we ultimately win is still up in the air, more a function of how well we succeed against islamism.


6 posted on 10/10/2010 4:47:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: unspun

Several generations ago, the great Alexander Solzhenitsyn told us that even the Soviet hierarchy knew that Marxism was a joke, but one which they clung to only because it justified their power. Ever since then, commies in various countries have exploited the free market in order to keep their elites in power, and useful idiots in the West have used “free market” rhetoric to support the transfer of manufacturing and technology to Communist slave states.


7 posted on 10/10/2010 5:11:31 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: rfp1234

It’s actually State Capitalism.


8 posted on 10/10/2010 5:17:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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Please forgive a naive observation, but it seems to me that "socialists" outside the West (such as the CCP) are still very much in favor of industrialization, while the American Left wants to de-industrialize.

Is this observation correct? Does anyone have any insights?

9 posted on 10/10/2010 5:39:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin beHaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: unspun
In the 1920s many Westerners claimed that Lenin's New Economic Policy, which allowed some free enterprise to operate signaled the death of communism. Puhleez. Not even close to a valid comparison.
10 posted on 10/10/2010 5:47:49 PM PDT by gotribe (Time to partea)
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To: hellbender
Several generations ago, the great Alexander Solzhenitsyn told us that even the Soviet hierarchy knew that Marxism was a joke, but one which they clung to only because it justified their power. Ever since then, commies in various countries have exploited the free market in order to keep their elites in power, and useful idiots in the West have used “free market” rhetoric to support the transfer of manufacturing and technology to Communist slave states.

Well put.

11 posted on 10/10/2010 6:29:30 PM PDT by unspun (It's the Sovereignty, Stu... um... art. | WE ARE GULAG BOUND)
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Please forgive a naive observation, but it seems to me that "socialists" outside the West (such as the CCP) are still very much in favor of industrialization, while the American Left wants to de-industrialize. Is this observation correct? Does anyone have any insights?

Ask the tycoon Marxofascists, from Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, Rhodes (and yes, some Rothschilds) to the current set... Soros, Strong, Gates (and Gorbachev) -- (and yes, some Rothschilds).

See prior answer.

Power and control -- the mindset of dictators and many CEO's and COB's.

America is the essential geopolitical threat to global authoritarianism.

I suggest you start with the Tower of Babel -- and move on to what Norman Dodd discovered here in America.

12 posted on 10/10/2010 6:38:25 PM PDT by unspun (It's the Sovereignty, Stu... um... art. | WE ARE GULAG BOUND)
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To: unspun

I have been arguing for a long time that all of this was planned, including the fall of the USSR. The goal of the apparatchiks to control the world has not ended..


13 posted on 10/10/2010 6:42:44 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: unspun
America is the essential geopolitical threat to global authoritarianism.

So you're saying the Left wants to industrialize everywhere except America? Then why is the Left opposed to industrialization in all Western countries (such as Europe)?

I suggest you start with the Tower of Babel

That was in last week's Parashah.

14 posted on 10/10/2010 6:43:01 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin beHaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: Cacique
I have been arguing for a long time that all of this was planned, including the fall of the USSR. The goal of the apparatchiks to control the world has not ended..

That's what James Simpson has researched, as well. Look for a major new article by him, soon.

15 posted on 10/10/2010 6:46:37 PM PDT by unspun (It's the Sovereignty, Stu... um... art. | WE ARE GULAG BOUND)
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To: Cacique
I have been arguing for a long time that all of this was planned, including the fall of the USSR. The goal of the apparatchiks to control the world has not ended..

That's what James Simpson has researched, as well. Look for a major new article by him, soon.

16 posted on 10/10/2010 6:46:51 PM PDT by unspun (It's the Sovereignty, Stu... um... art. | WE ARE GULAG BOUND)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So you're saying the Left wants to industrialize everywhere except America? Then why is the Left opposed to industrialization in all Western countries (such as Europe)?

The Left is run by those who seek global empire, done in the most effective way they see it done -- the Marxist way.

The West are the bourgeoisie -- the rest of the world is the proletariat. Pretty much explains it.

17 posted on 10/10/2010 6:49:32 PM PDT by unspun (It's the Sovereignty, Stu... um... art. | WE ARE GULAG BOUND)
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To: unspun
The West are the bourgeoisie -- the rest of the world is the proletariat. Pretty much explains it.

Kind of what I thought. But that just makes it weird to see a Western Communist (anti-industrialization) party/publication praising Communism in China because it enabled it to rapidly industrialize.

18 posted on 10/10/2010 6:52:57 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin beHaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: unspun

“In the 1920s many Westerners claimed that Lenin’s New Economic Policy, which allowed some free enterprise to operate signaled the death of communism ... [And the Westerners who trained the soviet workforce ended up in gulags.]

Yes, needs emphasis!


19 posted on 10/16/2010 2:23:03 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Economic reform without education reform and originalism is a penny in the fuse box.)
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