Posted on 10/06/2010 8:32:23 AM PDT by Enchante
Ghailani is charged with conspiring in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. The attacks killed 224 people, including a dozen Americans.
He was smiling and conversing with his lawyers at the defense table after the judge ruled.
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this is why international jihad terrorists cannot be handled in domestic civilian courts
there is no question of the WITNESS having faced any maltreatment or coercion
the issue (as I understand it) is that the govt. learned of the witness from interrogation of the accused
so even if the witness testified freely and uncoerced under oath, the judge is throwing out that testimony b/c counter-terrorist officials came to find that witness from interrogation of the captured terrorist
no way can Al Qaeda be properly fought and defeated under these kinds of restrictions
The law is a ass
(Especially when idiot judges like Kaplan get a hold of it)
true, but a lot of responsibility/blame also lies with the miasma of liberal legal eagles who dominate discussions of these subjects, and who would have gone crazy at the Bush admin. (even more than they already did) had we started doing tribunals and executions as was appropriate
Bush & co. were tied down by the liberal legal culture that insisted upon applying domestic civilian norms to international jihad terrorists at war with humankind
Domestic terrorist trials are just a welfare program for lefty lawyers.
BULLSHIT! Bush LET himself be tied down.
Clontoon replaced most of the laywers at the DOJ.. with even more liberal ones..
BUSH KEPT most all of clintoons laywers and didnt clean house.. making the DOJ a mine field to him all the while..
Either he(bush) was stupid, manipulated or did it ON PURPOSE.. Could be Bush AND Clintoon are progressives.. you know like John McQueeq... and Lynsey Amnesty.. and Oh! awright the two ditz's from Maine too..
There you have it, the complete folly of using law enforcement techniques and rules when fighting a war. What's next, no Miranda warning acquittals, didn't have battlefield access to a lawyer? The big, bad interrogator was mean to the little jihadist?
I agree but the point is that it would have been a huge domestic political and bureaucratic battle to handle this the way it should be done, and Bush either chose not to fight that battle or did not even really disagree with the “progressive” agenda on this.
It should have been obvious to all in the months after 9/11 (if not years earlier) that a different way was needed to handle international jihad terrorism, that these cases cannot be properly handled in domestic civilian courts.
I hope that he gets off..yes, he should be drawn and quartered..but if he’s not convicted, this will be a HUGE issue in the 2012 election, which starts in 26 days..and should force Holder out soon, and now ay that ZXero has a chance at reelection..
Why is this man smiling?
Obama knows.
Sorry, but that's how it works. Get mad at the government for screwing up, not the judge.
Worst of all, it has been known for years that this was the only way the judge could rule, so the decision to try the case in NY was made with that knowledge!
Obama is on the side of the terrorists. It's that simple.
Sorry, but that's how it works. Get mad at the government for screwing up, not the judge.
This is what happens when you bring a lawyer to a war! F, F or break out.....
Kaplan, Lewis A.
Born 1944 in Staten Island, NY
Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U. S. District Court, Southern District of New York
Nominated by William J. Clinton on May 5, 1994, to a seat vacated by Gerard Louis Goettel; Confirmed by the Senate on August 9, 1994, and received commission on August 10, 1994.
Education:
University of Rochester, A.B., 1966
Harvard Law School, J.D., 1969
Professional Career:
Law clerk, Hon. Edward McEntee, U.S. Court of Appeals, First Circuit, 1969-1970
Private practice, New York City, 1970-1994
Special master, U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, 1982-1983
Race or Ethnicity: White
Gender: Male
yes, and that’s why the war on jihad terrorism cannot be fought or won in domestic civilian courtrooms
wrong venue, wrong rules, wrong outcomes
This should be a lesson to all out guys in the field in Afghanistan....NEVER take prisoners.Too bad that wasn’t SOP from the beginning.
Barack Obama’s and Eric Holder’s decision to hold terrorist trials in civilian courts present the logical consequences of judicial malpractice by the Supreme Court. The Global War on Terror confronts this country with invasive, catastrophic dangers exceeding those of WW II. Every capability, be it material, political or legal, must align to defeat this enemy. Notwithstanding this urgency, justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Ginsburg, Steven Breyer, and John Stevens rejected their responsibilities. They eviscerated the political departments of their Constitutional authority to provide for the common defense.
Alexander Hamilton anticipated this specter when noting the primacy of national security. He said in Federalist Paper 23, “These powers ought to exist without limitation, because it is impossible to foresee or define the extent and variety of national exigencies, or the correspondent extent and variety of the means which may be necessary to satisfy them. The circumstances that endanger the safety of nations are infinite, and for this reason no constitutional shackles can be wisely imposed on the power to which the care of it is committed. This power ought to be co-extensive with all the possible combinations of circumstances; and ought to be under the direction of the same councils which are appointed to preside over the common defense”. Note powers must exist without limitation in relation to capabilities and intentions. They do not emerge after reflection over damage suffered.
The Legislative and Executive branches hold all powers related to common defense. Congress has power to declare war. The President as Commander in Chief of armed forces employs power to every aspect of military operations, including armed force application, intelligence gathering, and confinement and disposition of captured enemies. The Commander in Chief and Congress must sustain an impenetrable wall behind which citizens may enjoy the benefits of civil liberties, including access to judicial process. The two political branches, most sensitive to accountability by the American people, received tasking for this most sensitive of all issues concerning national viability.
In contrast the Constitution says no common defense powers reside within the unelected Judiciary. As Hamilton says in Federalist Paper 78, “The Judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may be truly said to have neither force nor will, but merely judgment”. The Constitution limits judgment to cases in law and equity, and by separation of powers, limits judgment to reside within sovereign boundaries maintained by the political branches pursuit of common defense. The Judiciary commits malpractice by interpreting the “spirit” of the Constitution to establish a responsibility not enumerated. Hamilton in Federalist Paper 78 uses the term “manifest tenor” meaning clearly visible direction of thought and in Federalist Paper 81 rejects a popularly acclaimed “spirit’ when explaining judgment.
A paraphrase from justice Marshall’s opinion in Marbury vs. Madison appropriately defines our Constitution as it applies to the Judiciary. “The powers of the judiciary are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken or forgotten, the Constitution is written. To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing; if these limits may, at any time, be passed by a judiciary intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished, if those limits do not confine the judiciary on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed are of equal obligation. It is a proposition too plain to be contested, that the Constitution either controls any judicial act repugnant to it: or, that the judiciary may alter the Constitution by an ordinary act. Between these alternatives there is no middle ground. The Constitution is either a superior, paramount law unchangeable by ordinary means, or it is on a level with ordinary judicial act, and like acts of other branches, is alterable when the judiciary pleases to alter it. Certainly all those who have framed written constitutions contemplate them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and consequently the theory of every such government must be that an act of the judiciary repugnant to the constitution is void”.
The justices committed an egregious crime in Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld by reaching into the province of common defense to fabricate an association of terrorists with Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions. Wahhabi jihadists clearly participate in international armed conflict. They also lack pacific character in regard to hostilities, and do not meet any definition for legitimate armed forces found in Geneva Conventions.
Instead one must consult Article 13 of the First and Second Geneva Conventions and Article Three of the Fourth Convention. Terrorists are not armed forces, militias, volunteer corps, insurgents, or freedom fighters of any country or authority. They are not organized resistance movements carrying arms openly and have no distinctive identifier. Terrorists are not even spies and saboteurs covertly destroying the infrastructure, industrial capacity or armed forces of an opponent. Their campaigns perpetrate murder and mutilation of people defined as Protected Persons by the Conventions. No basis exists to consider such human abominations prisoners of war.
These justices made further intrusions into political branch Constitutional powers with consideration of Bonemediene vs. Bush. The President and Congress sought common ground by following the guidelines the five justices decreed in Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld. These guidelines were rejected before application to any cases. The Court unlawfully claimed original jurisdiction, substituting their pleasure for Constitutional duties of the political branches.
They confiscated common defense authority by fabricating a vague Habeas Corpus process, which by practice and Constitutional mandate has never applied to enemy aliens. By practice the writ was not applied to over 400,000 legitimate Axis prisoners transferred to the U.S. during WW II. Application to terrorists is indefensible. The Suspension Clause is inapplicable because the Constitution uses the words rebellion and public safety describing events within sovereign borders. If one also consults interpretation of Habeas Corpus within English common law, which our Founding Fathers did, again one discovers consistent applicability within sovereign borders.
These five justices perpetrated grievous judicial malpractice. Terrorists became citizens thereby entering a legal conduit and backdoor into our society where presently and prospectively their unlimited butchery equates to a civil murder. These judicial actions are comparable to surgical malpractice of leaving a bloody, festering rag inside a body cavity. Just as those doctors should forfeit rights to practice medicine, these five justices by impeachment should forfeit their right to practice law in the highest court. Meaning they should be empeached.
Also, no politician should find shelter within these malignant rulings to indulge personal moral orthodoxies forcing this country into harm’s way.
I think it was Lincoln who once observed that "the Constitution is not a suicide pact".
GREAT post! Highly informative! 5-Star!
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