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Will America Ban Criticism of Islam?
Canada Free Press ^ | 9/15/2010 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 09/15/2010 4:07:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway

In 1935 Sinclair Lewis wrote It Can’t Happen Here, a novel about the rise of tyranny in America, whose message was that it indeed can happen here. Just to remind us that in fact it “can happen here”, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer used the occasion of his appearance on noted legal forum, Good Morning America, to suggest that there may not be any First Amendment protection for burning the Koran.

“Holmes said it doesn’t mean you can shout ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” Breyer told me. “Well, what is it? Why? Because people will be trampled to death. And what is the crowded theater today? What is the being trampled to death?”

Breyer’s statement was every bit as flippant and ignorant of the Constitution and even previous Supreme Court decisions as you would expect from a Clinton appointee.

To begin with, Breyer misstated what Holmes had said and what he had meant. In Schenk vs United States, Holmes wrote, “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic.” The key word here is “falsely”. Shouting “fire” in a crowded theater when there really is a fire, is a warning. Shouting it when there is no fire, is a malicious attempt to start a panic. Holmes used the metaphor to argue that freedom of speech was contextual, so that some speech which presented a clear and present danger in a time of war could be banned. An Anti-War argument during peacetime might be legal, but illegal in wartime.

Breyer is relying on a widely discredited decision from almost a century ago, and taking it completely out of context. It’s as if Breyer had decided to pluck Dred Scott vs Sanford,

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: breyer; creepingsharia; creepingshariah; democrat; democrats; freespeech; islam; muslims; nofreespeech; pc; politicalcorrectness; politicallycorrect; religion

1 posted on 09/15/2010 4:07:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

To the headline: I thought they already had.


2 posted on 09/15/2010 4:09:32 PM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: nickcarraway

Let me be the first to tell him to STFU. I have the right to burn any book I please and to sat screw islam, the cult of death.

Come and arrest me.


3 posted on 09/15/2010 4:10:11 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - FUBO)
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To: nickcarraway

The money part of the Breyer quote is where he tossed off the line that this issue will be taken care of by a few cases:

“Yes. Well, perhaps that will be answered by- if it’s answered, by our court. It will be answered over time, in a series of cases, which force people to think carefully. That’s the virtue of cases.”

In other words it won’t be made illegal to criticize Islam in on fell swoop, it’ll just take a few cases to set de facto precedent.

No fuss, no muss.


4 posted on 09/15/2010 4:12:15 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: nickcarraway

I think there’ll be so many midnight taggers on Islam and Muslims .....


5 posted on 09/15/2010 4:12:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Belive In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice - and I'm still Molly Norris")
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To: bfree
I have the right to burn any book I please and to sat screw islam, the cult of death.

Come and arrest me.

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6 posted on 09/15/2010 4:13:45 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: nickcarraway

What a law, or Supreme Court decision like that would do is start a revolution. The people would not stand for it.


7 posted on 09/15/2010 4:16:09 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: nickcarraway
“Holmes said it doesn’t mean you can shout ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,”

Breyer should remember that other thing Holmes said. You know the part about his fist not coming any closer to our noses.

8 posted on 09/15/2010 4:19:22 PM PDT by TheVitaminPress (as goes the Second Amendment . . . so goes the Constitution.)
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To: svcw
A better Headline would have been:

When will America Ban ISLAM.

9 posted on 09/15/2010 4:20:21 PM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: nickcarraway

Has the United States ever declared war on Afghanistan or Iraq? If not, this argument means nothing. If burning the Koran is made illegal, then burning the Bible would be illegal and burning the American flag would surely be illegal.


10 posted on 09/15/2010 4:23:11 PM PDT by RC2 (Remember who we are. "I am America")
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To: bfree

I second that motion!


11 posted on 09/15/2010 4:26:22 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: nickcarraway
No need to criticize Islam. Islam condemns itself.
Is it still legal to shout "Allahu Akhbar!" in a crowded airplane?

FUNDAMENTALS OF ISLAM
(as experienced by non-Muslims)

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF DUTCH FILM MAKER THEO van GOGH:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes.
He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES AND "young people with foolish thoughts"
TO BE KILLED BY ANYONE WHO FINDS THEM (e.g. honor killings):

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated 'Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

AND MODERATE MUSLIMS TOO:

HADITH Sahih Muslim [5:2325] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
A group would secede itself (from the Ummah) when there would be dissension among the Muslims. Out of the two groups who would be nearer the truth would kill them.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old [Muhammad was 53], and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN (Shakir translation): http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION.
ISLAM IS A SOCIOPATHIC CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND MENTAL DISORDER.
MODERATE ISLAM IS A TROJAN HORSE FULL OF RADICALS WHO WILL SLAUGHTER US.

ISLAM DELENDUM EST!


12 posted on 09/15/2010 4:29:43 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: nickcarraway

Better to ban Islam. It is anathema for our Freedoms and our Constitution.


13 posted on 09/15/2010 4:32:27 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: nickcarraway
Will America Ban Criticism of Islam?

It will probably happen here before it happens in Turkey a country that is 99.9 percent Muslim

So why aren't tens of millions of Muslims in Turkey "Islamophobes"?

So why can citizens of Turkey (99.9% Muslim) protest against Islamism (political Islam & Sharia law) and we cannot? We're "islamophobes," bigots" . . go figure.

Why do we have to welcome Islamists (political Islam & Sharia law advocates) -- tens of millions of Turks don't -- as Justice Jackson said sixty years ago, "The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact."

Read and see more

Long live secularism in the constitutional democratic Republic of Turkey! Though this report is three years old the struggle continues. Wish them well -- and pray for the U.S. of A. we have our own version of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The image on the banner is of Ataturk the founder of modern secular democratic constitutional Republic of Turkey. The photos are from demonstrations of three years ago protesting the ruling AK Party's Islamist (political Islam & Sharia law) leanings and reminding the AKP that they promised the voters that they would respect Turkey's heritage of secularism.

14 posted on 09/15/2010 4:32:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: nickcarraway
Oh no I have banned it and intend to ban anybody that wants to live by it as non conducive to life... just like abortion. Your child can live without it!
15 posted on 09/15/2010 4:41:04 PM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: nickcarraway

*Headline Only*

The only way Free Speech can be banned is if we shut-up. No matter what is said, no matter who says it or rules it, it can’t be done if we refuse to be silent.


16 posted on 09/15/2010 4:43:18 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: nickcarraway
It Can’t Happen Here can be read for free online.

I got about halfway through. It is happening here.

17 posted on 09/15/2010 4:44:22 PM PDT by Jacquerie (More Central Planning is not the solution to the failures of Central Planning.)
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To: bfree

You beat me to it.

I don’t care if “they” ban criticism of islam. I’m still criticizing it.

Just say no to sharia law.


18 posted on 09/15/2010 4:54:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sniper63

Tommorow I hope!


19 posted on 09/15/2010 5:01:52 PM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: nickcarraway

20 posted on 09/15/2010 5:02:45 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: nickcarraway

Good thing we still a bunch of hand-held battery operated shredders. Sounds like maybe another OSS.

BSW


21 posted on 09/15/2010 5:05:42 PM PDT by CH3CN
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To: nickcarraway

The idea that a country would criminalize speech that the enemy doesn’t like seems absurd on the face of it, yet Muslims receive that protection in Europe and even Israel.


22 posted on 09/15/2010 5:16:12 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (IMPEACH Barry Dunham Soetoro aka "Soebarkah" aka Imam Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama!)
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To: sinanju

So.... Justice Breyer thinks that if an example is made of a few of us, the rest will fall into line and be silent about criticizing Islam.... out of pure fear.

That, sir, is fascism. Breyer might as well wear a NSDAP lapel pin (as did many Nazi judges in the Third Reich).

“When I hear the words `Ground Zero Mosque’, I reach for my revolver.”


23 posted on 09/15/2010 5:28:30 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: nickcarraway
It's looking more and more likely that there will be political prisoners before Obama’s first term is done. Rather it'll be for objecting to some Obama policy, not buying health insurance or for burning a quran...we are at the doorstep of tyranny.
24 posted on 09/15/2010 5:59:14 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: nickcarraway

Ban Islam


25 posted on 09/15/2010 6:19:14 PM PDT by TNoldman (Call 1911 not 911!)
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