Posted on 09/12/2010 9:00:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Roma rights activists during a protest in front of the French embassy in Bucharest, Romania, 06 Sep 2010
The European Parliament has criticized the move by the French government to expel its Roma migrants.
Since August, France has deported about 1,000 ethnic Roma to Romania and Bulgaria. In a resolution passed Thursday, the European Union called for France to bring it to a stop.
European Parliament member for London Jean Lambert says France's Roma policy is discriminatory.
"It is not saying you have committed a crime and therefore you as an individual should be expelled from this country," Lampert. "It really is sort of state discrimination of a group, which is already one of the most disadvantaged in the European Union."
The resolution was passed with 337 votes; 245 voted against.
Lampert says it is unusual for the European Parliament to make such an open criticism of a member state, but she says the current situation demanded it.
"Today a majority of the members of the European Union took the position that this was so bad that, yes, they were going to name member states responsible," said Lampert.
The resolution was also critical of the European Commission. It said the Commission, as guardian of the EU treaty, should have made a strong, quick response when the expulsions first started.
Discrimination against national or ethnic groups is forbidden under EU law. The French government says it is not stigmatizing Roma or breaking EU law. It says the deportation is a question of public safety. Roma were recently involved in a few public order incidents, including a riot in southeastern France.
Christian Schweiger from Britain's Durham University says discrimination is an ongoing problem in Europe.
"This has been an ongoing issue," said Schweiger. "Racial division, religious division has been an issue and countries very often do not abide by these rules."
The resolution passed by the European Parliament also criticized the treatment of Roma by other member states. This week, Italian authorities dismantled illegal Roma camps around Milan and Rome.
Why are they protesting in Romania? Don’t they want them to come back home?
According to the American Spectator:
The expulsions from France, which by the end of August had resulted in 151 obligatory (”de manière contrainte”) and 828 voluntary (”de manière volontaire”) repatriations to Bulgaria and Romania, have overshadowed such progress.
Concerns voiced by Roma groups, certain Bulgarian and Romanian politicians, the United Nations, and the European Union have only prompted France to double down on its method of controlling the gens du voyage and their perceived “menace à l’ordre public.” France’s Immigration Minister, Eric Bresson, has hinted at further measures to crack down on the clandestine immigration of Roma, particular at the French border, while Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux continues to insist that “the objective announced by the president of the republic, that half our country’s illegal camps will be dismantled in three months, will be met.
The French government has roundly rejected any suggestion that these expulsions in any way resemble the infamous rafles, or round-ups, of the Second World War. Deputy Jean-Pierre Grand responded to critics (including Catholic archbishops and opposition politicians) thusly: “Persons are arrested, their identities are verified, and they are offered money to return to their homeland; I would like for someone to explain the connection to the roundups of the Second World War”.
Pierre Lellouche has proven more defiant still, insisting that the expulsions were designed to guarantee the “first of human rights, which is the right to safety.
With crimes committed by Romanians (many of whom are Roma) reported to have increased by 259 percent in Paris over the last eighteen months, with some one in five Parisian thefts perpetrated by a Romanian, and with constant strains on the welfare system exacerbated by the presence of illegal aliens, it was inevitable that the French government would step up measures against unlawfully-present Roma and their camps, brooking no opposition in the process. And it is no coincidence that the crackdown has occurred alongside an overall government-led “debate on national identity” that has been taking place in France over recent months. (That the Roma are paying something of a price for Gallic resentment of other immigrant communities that have likewise yet to fully assimilate cannot be discounted either.) The French government has even raised the possibility of contesting Romanian and Bulgarian entry into the Schengen (border-free) European zone in March of 2011 due to the regular egress of Roma from those countries. Thus the Roma controversy in France figures to have more than merely domestic political ramifications.
It seems I heard they sent some back from Germany, recently as well.
If they would stop the stealing, extortion and swindling they might be decent neighbors.
Not sure if Romania considers the Roma’s to be their own ethnic wise.
According to Wikipedia:
Linguistic and genetic evidence indicates the Romanies originated from the Indian subcontinent, emigrating from India towards the northwest no earlier than the 11th century.
The Romani are generally believed to have originated in central India, possibly in the modern Indian state of Rajasthan, migrating to northwest India (the Punjab region) around 250 BC. In the centuries spent here, there may have been close interaction with such established groups as the Rajputs and the Jats. Their subsequent westward migration, possibly in waves, is believed to have occurred between AD 500 and AD 1000. Contemporary populations sometimes suggested as sharing a close relationship to the Romani are the Dom people of Central Asia and the Banjara of India.
Deport them to the EU parliament if they like gypsies so much.
If the European Parliament is against this, then it’s my guess that the majority of the people are for it.
RE: Deport them to the EU parliament if they like gypsies so much.
There are MILLIONS of them, where in Parliament can you house them all ?
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If the European Parliament is against this, then its my guess that the majority of the people are for it.
TITLE: Roma expulsions: The total lack of French political opposition.
EXCERPT:
With national protests against the expulsion of Roma today one would think that the Presidents law and order policies were unpopular, But they are not. On the contrary, polls consistently show public support for the crackdown. Why is that?
France is buzzing today, with the Presidents enemies preparing for nationwide protest marches against the governments hard-line law and order onslaught in general, and the expulsion of Roma in particular. This legislative fever has resulted in 6 months worth of laws, all of which were introduced with just one aim in mind. To crack down on crime and illegal immigration.
The banning of the burqa, much tougher policing in areas where crime is high, stricter immigration laws, the summary expulsion of immigrants without the correct papers or a job, stripping some immigrants of French nationalities for certain crimes, stricter sentencing, you name it, hes done it, and more.
The more is the latest batch of measures which were sparked off by violent demonstrations by a small number of Frances Roma following the death of one of them, a crime suspect killed by police. The investigation into that incident is ongoing.
In a nutshell, Roma are being deported in large numbers, their camps are being dismantled and the present situation has attracted the attention of the worlds media.
All this highly controversial legislation should have course given the largest opposition party in France, the Socialists, a long-awaited opportunity to unite, bitterly divided as they have been over the last ten years by almost fatal internal battles and severely handicapped by a total lack of concrete alternative propositions to those of the last two presidents, Jacques Chirac and Nicolas Sarkozy.
The French Socialist party and its senior representatives should have been at the vanguard of todays protests, but they are not. On the contrary, they are conspicuous by their minimal presence, and Socialist leader Martine Aubry is nowhere to be seen. They have left the field to a rag-taggle bunch of largely unknown Ecologists, trade union representatives and homeless associations, with a couple of human rights organizations thrown in.
But the Socialists are absent for a reason, and that reason is precisely why the demonstrations today, although they promise to be noisy and well-covered by the press, will have almost no effect on the governments policies.
And why is that? Because the Socialists and other opposition parties know that they have, incredibly, absolutely no alternatives to Sarkozys policies and that they have never in their 100-year history lifted a finger to help the Roma in this country. In other words, they are part of the problem.
They seem to have forgotten why Nicolas Sarkozy was elected. Sarkozys election platform was based on promises of action to reform education, pensions, and to tackle illegal immigration and crime. He was elected largely because of the total inability of his opponent the hapless Ségolène Royal to offer the French anything concrete. Her stated policy was Anyone but Sarkozy. No wonder she was soundly beaten. The French wanted action, not more Socialist criticism without proposition.
I personally wish there were an easier and more “humane” ( note the quotes ) solution. But putting myself in the place of the French people, I can’t find one other than this.
Maybe someone reading this thread has a better solution... I am all ears.
They are illegal aliens and should be treated as such
As somebody who was attacked by gangs of Gypsies in both Arles (South of France) and the Champs Élysées,
I applaud this initiative of Sarkozy.
The truth is that Romanian and Bulgarian Gypsies are coming to France to steal and beg.
This is about true... People are quite fed up of Gypsy stealing and also establishing illegal camps in the countryside. You wake up to a third world camping in your backyard and the human right crowd forbid their expulsion!
It’s politically smart. Take out one obnoxious minority, one which does not have powerful overseas supporters and with no history of suicide bombing, establish the precedents, and then move on to the more powerful minority.
RE: As somebody who was attacked by gangs of Gypsies in both Arles (South of France) and the Champs Élysées,
Tell me about it... my wife’s purse was stolen by a fast footed Gypsy in France 5 years ago when we were on tour. It caused us a lot of inconvenience as we had to report everything not only to the Police, but our stolen credit cards (not to mention the cash lost ).
I have always wondered whether the culprit was ever caught...
Roma were legally enslaved in Romania until 1880. That’s how loving Romanians are to Roma.
Quite a map of Thieves Habitats you posted. Thanks for the map.
Given that these peoples are line bred thieves, one can hardly fault any government for removing such criminals.
The answer would be for those thieves cults to convert to some more acceptable culture. But, like Muslims they keep on refusing to be other than the totally unacceptable people they have spent generations proving themselves to be.
Now, they are whining they are being forced to be responsible for their misdeeds.
WAAAHHHHH - call the Waahhmbulance to take them away.
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