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The (Black) Underperformance (in College) Problem
Minding the Campus ^ | September 2, 2010 | Russell K. Nieli

Posted on 09/05/2010 1:27:46 PM PDT by reaganaut1

On average black students do much worse on the SAT and many other standardized tests than whites. While encouraging progress was made in the 1970s and early 1980s in improving black SAT scores and reducing the black/white test score gap, progress in this direction came to a halt by the early 1990s, and today the gap stands pretty much where it was twenty years ago. Whereas whites and Asians today average a little over 500 on the math and reading portions of the SAT, blacks score only a little over 400 -- in statistical metric a gap of a full standard deviation. Only about one in six blacks does as well on the SAT as the average white or Asian.

This state of affairs is well known uncomfortable though it may be to bring up in public. Less well known is what in the scholarly literature is called "the underperformance problem." Once in college blacks with the same entering SAT scores as whites and Asians earn substantially lower grades over their college careers and wind up with substantially lower class rankings. This gap in grade performance, moreover, is not reduced by adding high school grades or socio-economic status to the criteria for matching students. Blacks equally matched with whites or Asians in terms of their entering scholastic credentials and socio-economic backgrounds simply do not perform as well as their Asian and white counterparts in college. And the degree of underperformance is often very substantial.

This is contrary to what many people have been led to believe. Standardized tests are "culturally biased," it is said, and do not fairly indicate the abilities or promise of racial minorities growing up outside the dominant white, middle-class, Anglo-Saxon culture.

(Excerpt) Read more at mindingthecampus.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: achievementgap; affirmativeaction; bellcurve; blacks; college; nieli; racenorming; russellnieli; sat
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The SAT and other standardized tests are not biased against blacks, and college admission standards should be the same for all races.
1 posted on 09/05/2010 1:27:48 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

sorry...thats someone elses fault.


2 posted on 09/05/2010 1:28:43 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: reaganaut1

Well it’s obviously racism at work.

What we need is a system where we take grade averages from white and asian kids and give it to black kids so they’ll all have passing grades. :)


3 posted on 09/05/2010 1:29:45 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: reaganaut1

Could this be the reason Zero wants his records held secret?

Unvetted and unknown, we have a POtuS in the White House that is a complete cipher. All the idiots in the country who keep referring to Obama as a genius because he was “the first African American Editor of the Harvard Law Review” should be reminded that a lot of “firsts” have no significance beyond that simple fact of being first in unusual circumstances.

The “first” black ballplayer in Boston Red Sox history - the LAST team in MLB to integrate, ironically, was Jerry “Pumpsie” Green who played a few short and unremarkable years and was out of baseball entirely before he was 30, He can be found, though, in all of the history books because he was a “first” in what was considered a bigoted organization.

Ironically, Pumpsie had a brother, Cornell, who was a tremendous athlete, the 5 time Pro-Bowler for the Dallas Cowboys. He made five Pro Bowls at two different positions - cornerback and strong safety. Green never missed a game in 13 seasons with the Cowboys (1962-74) and played 168 games, including 145 consecutive starts for the Cowboys between 1962-1974.

Absent Obama’s general collegiate records, indicating his course work, written grade scores and SAT’s etc., we don’t know how smart this guy is ... but I’m going out on a limb and saying he is more like Pumpsie Green than Cornell Green...he’s just the “first” to come along...

Anybody, even someone of little talent can become famous and be a “first” or a celebrity...but the guy who shows up on game day and straps it on is the guy who will be remembered for being someone special.


4 posted on 09/05/2010 1:32:11 PM PDT by jessduntno (Flush the Grand Old Potty. Change it top to bottom. Conservatives only.)
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To: Tzimisce

We need a GPRS (grade-point redistribution system).


5 posted on 09/05/2010 1:38:11 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Obama suffers from decision-deficit disorder." Oliver North 6/25/10)
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To: reaganaut1

When society tells blacks they aren’t as smart as everybody else and their educational standards are lower...they believe it.

Treat all as individuals and not as members of a race.


6 posted on 09/05/2010 1:38:11 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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...the dominant white, middle-class, Anglo-Saxon culture.

I am sitting here wondering where in our culture white, middle-class, Anglo-Saxon dominance exists. Not in the schools, not on TV or in the movies, not in popular music or literature, not in sports, where?

7 posted on 09/05/2010 1:39:34 PM PDT by rogue yam
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I got a perfect score on my SAT’s, with a hangover.


8 posted on 09/05/2010 1:40:09 PM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: jessduntno
"Could this be the reason Zero wants his records held secret?"

What other reason could there be? People who made good grades don't hide them, rather, they brag about them every chance they get. Especially the east coast academic crowd of which Obama is a part. If had a gotten good grades we'd be hearing about it every time the media mentioned his name.

9 posted on 09/05/2010 1:40:09 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: jessduntno
Absent Obama’s general collegiate records, indicating his course work, written grade scores and SAT’s etc., we don’t know how smart this guy is ...

Here's the problem: students do as well as they need to on the SAT to meet their goal, then they "quit while they're ahead". If you have a score slightly above what your college choices want, there's no point in risking that with a lousy score. (There's no good way to hide other scores without running the risk of not being able to retrieve them if they're an improvement). So, a lot of minority scores don't tell you what a student was capable of; they just tell you what Yale or Harvard or where-ever expected of them.

I'm thinking Obama is pretty low on the IQ scale. When he speaks for himself, he says some pretty weird (and sometimes racist) things. Think beer summit situation.

10 posted on 09/05/2010 1:41:25 PM PDT by grania
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To: reaganaut1

The Left engages in group politics. Republicans are supposed to be against that. Who cares what color someone is when they score on an SAT test?


11 posted on 09/05/2010 1:41:37 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: reaganaut1

My daughter goes to a Christian college — GROVE CITY COLLEGE.

This school, like one other I can think of -— Hillsdale DOES NOT accept Government funds of any kind. Of course because of this, there is no affirmative action in terms of acceptance. You either make it in on merit or not.

My daughter tells me that she can count the number of black students in her 2,500 student campus with her fingers.

Needless to say, these black kids are all VERY GOOD STUDENTS. There is no black underperformance in Grove City College.


12 posted on 09/05/2010 1:43:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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William Bowen and Derek Bok’s The Shape of the River (1998) — the highly influential defense of racial preference policies at elite universities by former presidents of Princeton and Harvard.

I’ve always found it curious why Presidents and Deans never seem to give up their own jobs in the name of “affirmative action”

I guess there’s just too many minorities already holding those positions


13 posted on 09/05/2010 1:43:45 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: jessduntno
the guy who shows up on game day and straps it on is the guy who will be remembered for being someone special.

In Cleveland, Ted Ginn Jr. comes to mind. His dad is the incredible coach and inspiration to east-side youth and he instilled in him work ethic and values that propelled him to some success in the NFL.

14 posted on 09/05/2010 1:43:58 PM PDT by grania
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To: reaganaut1

The “Bell Curve” just won’t go away...

Reality is hard to argue away.


15 posted on 09/05/2010 1:44:42 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: SeekAndFind; reaganaut1
Needless to say, these black kids are all VERY GOOD STUDENTS. There is no black underperformance in Grove City College.

Good for them!

16 posted on 09/05/2010 1:45:26 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: reaganaut1

In the black community, it is widely understood that studying and excelling in school makes you a sellout, so you only perform up to a certain level, lest you be chastised for “acting white”.


17 posted on 09/05/2010 1:46:34 PM PDT by festusbanjo (The Carter Administration is back, and now available in black!)
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To: grania
If you have a score slightly above what your college choices want, there's no point in risking that with a lousy score.

Considering that most colleges today (even the very competitive ones) only consider the best score on each of the three components (so if the first time you took it you scored 750,400,550, and the second time 500, 650, 500, colleges would determine your admission based on a score of 750,650,550), this is not really a concern for college students today...

18 posted on 09/05/2010 1:48:39 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: reaganaut1

Plus, it’s ‘white crackers’ thing’ to get good grades’ — and many blacks simply blow these things off for this very reason.


19 posted on 09/05/2010 1:49:31 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: reaganaut1

One should read the entire article. As I could have guessed from my own observations, the article’s main point is that affirmative action is the single most important culprit in this “underperformance.” It actually harms those it purports to help.

But say that out loud and you are condemned as a racist in the university world.


20 posted on 09/05/2010 1:49:41 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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