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We will merely allude to Michael Steele's perennial circus act to look beyond to 2012, where we have one announced candidate, the immortal Mr. Newt Gingrich, whose most recent sojourn is a national tour with the most Rev. Al Sharpton.

Newt also did a political ad with Pelosi in support of the global warming fallacy and he may run for President. It's another example how the OP(formerly the GOP) has incrementally merged with the socialist RATs to form one big Socialist Republicrat party.

Both parties worked to impose centralized interventionist policies. The Republican slogan was "the same program, but slower," its major selling point the contention that it could emplace collectivist policies more "responsibly" than the Democrats.

The socialist Republicrat party has been moving the country twoards socialism for a long time.

John Cornyn has already stated that the party will make no attempt to repeal ObamaCare. If the GOP won't tear down that monstrosity, what good is the GOP?

Too many people are hinging their hopes the OP(formerly the GOP) to repeal the unconstitutional Obamacare. It will be ultimately up to the people to stop Obamacare by openly defying the BO/BS regime.

The Tea Parties are not Republican

They are being incrementally co-opted by the OP(formerly the GOP)with more OP candidates making appearances at local and national tea party events. The Tea Party movement began in opposition to both wings of the OP yet more groups are endorsing OP candidates and Michele Bachmann is trying to co-opt the tea party movement with her Tea Party Caucus.

What's the alternative? Not a future as a third party.

Dunn doesn't see the forest for the trees. He writes in the preceding paragraphs how similar the parties are but then makes a comment based on the erroneous premise they are two distinct parties. We have only one big socialist Republicrat Party under the deception of two different names. Names alone don't make them distinct from each other. Ideology determines the character of a party. The RATs and the OP have been moving in the same direction for decades. Another party will restore the two party system.

It defies logic how Conservative keep insisting to retake a party that no longer exists but in the past has shown nothing but disdain for Conservatism. Repeatedly returning to that party is the political version of battered wife syndrome. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly expecting a different result. Unfortunately Conservatives have been implementing this insanity for many years and still do so today. Twenty five years of this failing strategy needs to end now. It's time for Conservatives to wake up and break from the socialist Republicrat party by uniting under a party based on strong Conservative values. That is not the OP.
1 posted on 08/23/2010 3:46:20 AM PDT by Man50D
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Search is your freind, all ready posted.

What defies logic is this lunatic insistence that some magic 3rd party be created that will grant the whiners choir their every political whimsy.

If you cannot organize Conservative/Libertarians enough to take back control of the GOP, you certainly are going to epically fail trying to do the much harder work of organizing a new political party from the ground up.

2 posted on 08/23/2010 3:50:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Man50D

Beyond disgusting, isn’t it?


3 posted on 08/23/2010 3:51:33 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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Every single 3rd party in US History has completely failed to achieve any of it's goals. Instead it merely acts as a spoiler splitting the vote and assisting it's enemies to victory.

No, contrary to the big lie, the GOP was NOT a 3rd party. It merely took over the existing machinery of the defunct Whig party.

Time the siren song of the “3rd party” be put to rest. The historic data doesn't magically change just because it conflicts with the emotion based dogma and bubble world view of the perpetually whining choir.

4 posted on 08/23/2010 3:53:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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Past time you recognize that your position on this issue is wholly emotion based. It is not at all based on any logic or rational assessment of the historic facts.

3rd party movements only help elect their enemies program by splitting the supporter of their political position into competing factions. It is an idiot's notion that has failed EVERY single time it has been tried in US Political history.

6 posted on 08/23/2010 3:57:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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Third parties are the action of a mass hysteria death wish, the RATs best friend.

If you don’t like the GOP the way it is, get busy and help coservatives take it back, unless of course, you’re actually a RAT.


9 posted on 08/23/2010 4:13:18 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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The reason parties drift from core values is the “true believers” don't want to get off their asses and do the hard dirty work of running a party day to day. So they sit on their asses and whine non stop about how impure and imperfect the parties are.

The solution is not to sit around fantasizing about some magic 3rd party, that OTHER people will have to create for you, but get off your ass and get in the trenches. Past time to take the party of Reagan/Goldwater BACK from the apparatchiks that have hijacked it.

15 posted on 08/23/2010 4:28:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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Pay close attention. None of that matters. The Republican base wants Republicans in offfice so they can say they “won”. Doesn’t matter what they do while in office, it will always be excused. Those types don’t stand for any principles, they just want to “win” for the sake of it.


18 posted on 08/23/2010 4:32:54 AM PDT by Wolfie
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The dims have their affirmative action president and we have our affirmative action rnc chair... both chosen for the color of their skin... both epic fail. The republicans are certainly in need of some purging... cornyn is an example as well as about 60% of all repubic incumbents... but if we had Tom Delay as rnc chair for example... the game would look all together differently... but we have steele... which is worse than having no one at all.

LLS

19 posted on 08/23/2010 4:34:16 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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You raise excellent points, the most important of which is the way that both the Democrats and Republicans are eager to embrace numerous progressive agendae in the face of (and in open defiance of) true "conservatism." Neither has any problem with eschewing constructionist constitutional principles when their often vile goals demand demand that they do so.

The problem is that the current state of political play makes it virtually impossible to mount a successful third-party challenge. There may come a time in the future when this ceases to be the reality, but for now, we have a two-party system that is badly broken, with little light at the end of that discouraging tunnel.

For the conservative/centrist (or centrist/conservative) majority of the voters in America to find meaningful, effective expression in our deeply desired need for change in the overall direction of the country, we need for Congress to make one small change in the way that our elected representatives do business.

When a candidate makes promises about the things he/she will do once elected, and when our believing those those promises propels that candidate into office, that candidate must be held accountable to do those things promised. If they fail to fulfill on those promises, they should be removed from office immediately.

One way to accomplish this is to instuitute a "two-winner" system. One is the guy who gets elected and goes to do the job. The other is his/her primary runner-up, who sits like an understudy in the wings; goes back to their regular job after the election, like a "National Guard Reservist," but who is ready to be called up if needed.

When the newly-elected official does what he/she said they would, they serve their full term. The first time they turn on their constituents, they get "the hook," and the "understudy" is sent in from the sidelines to take the ball. It is only the threat of immediate replacement that will keep these Beltway-challenged amoebae from shape-shifting once the polls are closed.

Scott Brown joining Snowe and Collins in stabbing conservatives in the back, jumping ship and backing the O'Bunga "Financial Reform" is a perfect example. Had Brown held his ground, that abortion never would have gone to a vote. Scott Brown raped his constituents right up the backside, and there should be an immediate consequence when these scum pull this crap.

Now, I know that the liklihood of such "Immediate Substitution" legislation getting passed is about as realistic as is the chance of a Third Party coming to national success in 2010 or 2012, but without such a change in the way we control our elected representatives, they will continue to operate outside of any control by those whom they would, in a perfect world, actually represent.

Congress' refusal to pass such lagislation would be tantamount to an admission that they reserve the right to break any and all election promises that they so choose. It would at least be useful to get them on record making such a statement. In fact, it might be the piece of the puzzle that eventually gives Americans the impetus needed to create and support, all the way to winning on election day, a "third party" with some teeth.

The "Old Party" to which you alluded is actually the Dem-Rep Cabal that has held this nation hostage for decades. Any new "third party" would, in truth, be our "second" party. So very sad.

;-/

21 posted on 08/23/2010 4:34:50 AM PDT by Gargantua (Imam Hussein O'Bunga, The Maricone Mecca Macacque)
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If we had the exact same Republicans in office now that we elected in 2004. there would have been no trillion dollar stimulus and no healthcare reform. DADT would remain in effect.

The Bush tax cuts would not be expiring, cap and trade and card check would both be dead, and we would not be kissing Muslim rear end around the world while abandoning Israel and the rest of our allies.

They might not have been conservative enough for this author, but they were far more conservative than what we have now....

It is fine for conservatives to work to make the Republican Party more conservative, but it is a national party and has to win seats in liberal states to control the government and regain policy control. That means you will have moderates in the party or the GOP will remain the minority party.

That is not the Republicans fault, that is reality.


24 posted on 08/23/2010 4:53:16 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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Posting emotion base ranting and sloganeering back and forth at each other all day on your computer is NOT at all remotely like doing the hard dirty work of running the day to day operations of a viable political party.

If Conservative/Libertarians are too lazy or too disorganized to take back control of their local and state GOP party machinery from the hacks, they certainly ARE NEVER going to do the much harder work of organizing a viable political party.

Rather then cling to your emotion base opinions, look at reality just this ONE time.


28 posted on 08/23/2010 5:03:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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What's the alternative?...Not a future as a third party.

Apparently none whatsoever. We will just embrace what brought us here in the first place. Just bend over and use plenty of K-Y. You'd never know by many so called conservatives and writers such as this one how this nation ever came into being in the first place. We are just gutless lemmings who can't do anything except what we are told.

35 posted on 08/23/2010 5:26:42 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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TEApublican ping! - Pro-Democrat third partyists are infesting this thread!


41 posted on 08/23/2010 5:50:20 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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GOP equals Godawful Old Politicians. If I had any photoshop skills, I would post a picture of Michael Steele grinning from the back of a milk carton. “Have you seen this man?”


50 posted on 08/23/2010 6:17:12 AM PDT by csmusaret (A government that can dictate how much water flows into a toilet is a powerful government indeed.)
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What you see here is why third party movements always fail.

This "dogma uber alles" purist mindset. Elections are won by coalitions of interests. The Freeper Purists choir are too busy voting people off "their island" to ever build a workable election coalition.

It is clear the Freeper "Dogma Uber Alles" crowd has failed to learn the lessons of the implosion during the late 1990s of the Perot "Reform" Party.

Third parties start out rallying to an issue or an individual. Usually driven by some charismatic leader, they start out all gung ho for "the cause". This goes on for a short time frame then some divisive issue arises.

On this new issue, some in the 3rd party favor one point of view, some the other. Thus, being dogmatic purists incapable of tolerating any other opinions then their own, they factionalizing into a 4th party as those who lose the internal debate in the 3rd party declare the winners "traitors" or "RINOS" and go off to form their own clique.

This factionalizing continues on and on until the original 3rd party movement is so split up into tiny competing factions it is politically impotent.

That is what has happened to every single third party movement in US history. Every single one. This attempt will end no differently.

54 posted on 08/23/2010 6:39:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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Both parties are fatally flawed and essentially pursue the same socialist goals. A third party with a fresh outlook would be nice, but it also would be a suicidal quest for widespread electoral power.

For now at least, the Tea Party needs to work from inside the GOP — the party that ALLEGEDLY supports smaller government, lower taxes and more liberty — in the same manner as the Republican takeover of the failed Whigs.

But there is another dynamic to consider. And this one is going to be fun!!

The November election will send at least SOME fresh faces with Tea Party ideas to Congress; the more the merrier. Hopefully we’ll see a lot of them but even a handful is a good start.

Once in office, these bomb-throwers and Constitutional firebrands will make a beautiful noise. At least a few will bristle at the idea of being co-opted (e.g. corrupted) by the RINO establishment and they will hold to their truths in no uncertain terms.

These worthies will file bills and propose Amendments and make rousing speeches that will set our patriotic hearts soaring! And with our many “new media” options, we’ll get to hear these speeches and send them viral on YouTube, et al. The conservative silence will be over.

Then we can see what the landscape looks like leading up to the 2012 voting. Something tells me our “new champions” are going to make a lot of changes, for the better, and inspire us to make many more.


60 posted on 08/23/2010 6:57:55 AM PDT by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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I like the article. A challenge for real conservative leaders to step up to the plate. The more I hear about Michele Bachmann I like. (Incidentally, the more I see I love, but that is another discussion.)


61 posted on 08/23/2010 6:59:01 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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The Freeper Third Party Choir reminds me of the Obamabots.

Just like the Obama regime, it doesn't matter that their dogmas have failed every signal time they have been tried. The choir just tunes out all fact and reason to cling to their emotion based opinions

62 posted on 08/23/2010 7:01:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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What you see here is why third party movements always fail.

This “dogma uber alles” purist mindset. Elections are won by coalitions of interests. The Freeper Purists choir are too busy voting people off “their island” to ever build a workable election coalition.

It is clear the Freeper “Dogma Uber Alles” crowd has failed to learn the lessons of the implosion during the late 1990s of the Perot “Reform” Party.

Third parties start out rallying to an issue or an individual. Usually driven by some charismatic leader, they start out all gung ho for “the cause”. This goes on for a short time frame then some divisive issue arises.

On this new issue, some in the 3rd party favor one point of view, some the other. Thus, being dogmatic purists incapable of tolerating any other opinions then their own, they factionalizing into a 4th party as those who lose the internal debate in the 3rd party declare the winners “traitors” or “RINOS” and go off to form their own clique.

This factionalizing continues on and on until the original 3rd party movement is so split up into tiny competing factions it is politically impotent.

That is what has happened to every single third party movement in US history. Every single one. This attempt will end no differently.

66 posted on 08/23/2010 7:09:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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BTW, the real change in the GOP is happening all around. It may be true some GOP leaders intend to distance themselves from the tea party once they ascend, but it will be too late. The infection will be so entrenched that within a cycle or two there will be no more establishment. Think about it: what is a party other than a funding, organizing, and volunteer army of help to pols? Who is doing better at all three, the GOP establishment or the ancillary groups bristling with tea party energy? Most notably, a Sarah Palin endorsement means more than a John Boehner, John Cornyn, et al. A Tea Party or Club for Growth taking a candidate under its wings means immeasurably more to someone trying to unseat a DemonRAT. Further, these ancillary groups are doing some nice party-cleansing with the Club for Growth knocking out both RATs and RINOs, and the Tea Party Express attempt to work over the Alaska RINO Senator. What this means is that there will be upwards of 100 brand new congressmen and congresswomen who will owe their seats to the Tea Party much more than the GOP establishment. And it is not as though there are zero there now. There are quite a few who will combine with the "Young Guns" to buck-up the Cornyn's and other established GOPers who buckle much too easily.

In this day and age, it matters much less what John Cornyn thinks and much more what Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck think. The established will be eviscerated if they stand in the way of real reform this time.

67 posted on 08/23/2010 7:11:44 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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