What defies logic is this lunatic insistence that some magic 3rd party be created that will grant the whiners choir their every political whimsy.
If you cannot organize Conservative/Libertarians enough to take back control of the GOP, you certainly are going to epically fail trying to do the much harder work of organizing a new political party from the ground up.
Beyond disgusting, isn’t it?
No, contrary to the big lie, the GOP was NOT a 3rd party. It merely took over the existing machinery of the defunct Whig party.
Time the siren song of the “3rd party” be put to rest. The historic data doesn't magically change just because it conflicts with the emotion based dogma and bubble world view of the perpetually whining choir.
3rd party movements only help elect their enemies program by splitting the supporter of their political position into competing factions. It is an idiot's notion that has failed EVERY single time it has been tried in US Political history.
Third parties are the action of a mass hysteria death wish, the RATs best friend.
If you don’t like the GOP the way it is, get busy and help coservatives take it back, unless of course, you’re actually a RAT.
The solution is not to sit around fantasizing about some magic 3rd party, that OTHER people will have to create for you, but get off your ass and get in the trenches. Past time to take the party of Reagan/Goldwater BACK from the apparatchiks that have hijacked it.
Pay close attention. None of that matters. The Republican base wants Republicans in offfice so they can say they “won”. Doesn’t matter what they do while in office, it will always be excused. Those types don’t stand for any principles, they just want to “win” for the sake of it.
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The problem is that the current state of political play makes it virtually impossible to mount a successful third-party challenge. There may come a time in the future when this ceases to be the reality, but for now, we have a two-party system that is badly broken, with little light at the end of that discouraging tunnel.
For the conservative/centrist (or centrist/conservative) majority of the voters in America to find meaningful, effective expression in our deeply desired need for change in the overall direction of the country, we need for Congress to make one small change in the way that our elected representatives do business.
When a candidate makes promises about the things he/she will do once elected, and when our believing those those promises propels that candidate into office, that candidate must be held accountable to do those things promised. If they fail to fulfill on those promises, they should be removed from office immediately.
One way to accomplish this is to instuitute a "two-winner" system. One is the guy who gets elected and goes to do the job. The other is his/her primary runner-up, who sits like an understudy in the wings; goes back to their regular job after the election, like a "National Guard Reservist," but who is ready to be called up if needed.
When the newly-elected official does what he/she said they would, they serve their full term. The first time they turn on their constituents, they get "the hook," and the "understudy" is sent in from the sidelines to take the ball. It is only the threat of immediate replacement that will keep these Beltway-challenged amoebae from shape-shifting once the polls are closed.
Scott Brown joining Snowe and Collins in stabbing conservatives in the back, jumping ship and backing the O'Bunga "Financial Reform" is a perfect example. Had Brown held his ground, that abortion never would have gone to a vote. Scott Brown raped his constituents right up the backside, and there should be an immediate consequence when these scum pull this crap.
Now, I know that the liklihood of such "Immediate Substitution" legislation getting passed is about as realistic as is the chance of a Third Party coming to national success in 2010 or 2012, but without such a change in the way we control our elected representatives, they will continue to operate outside of any control by those whom they would, in a perfect world, actually represent.
Congress' refusal to pass such lagislation would be tantamount to an admission that they reserve the right to break any and all election promises that they so choose. It would at least be useful to get them on record making such a statement. In fact, it might be the piece of the puzzle that eventually gives Americans the impetus needed to create and support, all the way to winning on election day, a "third party" with some teeth.
The "Old Party" to which you alluded is actually the Dem-Rep Cabal that has held this nation hostage for decades. Any new "third party" would, in truth, be our "second" party. So very sad.
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If we had the exact same Republicans in office now that we elected in 2004. there would have been no trillion dollar stimulus and no healthcare reform. DADT would remain in effect.
The Bush tax cuts would not be expiring, cap and trade and card check would both be dead, and we would not be kissing Muslim rear end around the world while abandoning Israel and the rest of our allies.
They might not have been conservative enough for this author, but they were far more conservative than what we have now....
It is fine for conservatives to work to make the Republican Party more conservative, but it is a national party and has to win seats in liberal states to control the government and regain policy control. That means you will have moderates in the party or the GOP will remain the minority party.
That is not the Republicans fault, that is reality.
Posting emotion base ranting and sloganeering back and forth at each other all day on your computer is NOT at all remotely like doing the hard dirty work of running the day to day operations of a viable political party.
If Conservative/Libertarians are too lazy or too disorganized to take back control of their local and state GOP party machinery from the hacks, they certainly ARE NEVER going to do the much harder work of organizing a viable political party.
Rather then cling to your emotion base opinions, look at reality just this ONE time.
Apparently none whatsoever. We will just embrace what brought us here in the first place. Just bend over and use plenty of K-Y. You'd never know by many so called conservatives and writers such as this one how this nation ever came into being in the first place. We are just gutless lemmings who can't do anything except what we are told.
TEApublican ping! - Pro-Democrat third partyists are infesting this thread!
GOP equals Godawful Old Politicians. If I had any photoshop skills, I would post a picture of Michael Steele grinning from the back of a milk carton. “Have you seen this man?”
This "dogma uber alles" purist mindset. Elections are won by coalitions of interests. The Freeper Purists choir are too busy voting people off "their island" to ever build a workable election coalition.
It is clear the Freeper "Dogma Uber Alles" crowd has failed to learn the lessons of the implosion during the late 1990s of the Perot "Reform" Party.
Third parties start out rallying to an issue or an individual. Usually driven by some charismatic leader, they start out all gung ho for "the cause". This goes on for a short time frame then some divisive issue arises.
On this new issue, some in the 3rd party favor one point of view, some the other. Thus, being dogmatic purists incapable of tolerating any other opinions then their own, they factionalizing into a 4th party as those who lose the internal debate in the 3rd party declare the winners "traitors" or "RINOS" and go off to form their own clique.
This factionalizing continues on and on until the original 3rd party movement is so split up into tiny competing factions it is politically impotent.
That is what has happened to every single third party movement in US history. Every single one. This attempt will end no differently.
Both parties are fatally flawed and essentially pursue the same socialist goals. A third party with a fresh outlook would be nice, but it also would be a suicidal quest for widespread electoral power.
For now at least, the Tea Party needs to work from inside the GOP — the party that ALLEGEDLY supports smaller government, lower taxes and more liberty — in the same manner as the Republican takeover of the failed Whigs.
But there is another dynamic to consider. And this one is going to be fun!!
The November election will send at least SOME fresh faces with Tea Party ideas to Congress; the more the merrier. Hopefully we’ll see a lot of them but even a handful is a good start.
Once in office, these bomb-throwers and Constitutional firebrands will make a beautiful noise. At least a few will bristle at the idea of being co-opted (e.g. corrupted) by the RINO establishment and they will hold to their truths in no uncertain terms.
These worthies will file bills and propose Amendments and make rousing speeches that will set our patriotic hearts soaring! And with our many “new media” options, we’ll get to hear these speeches and send them viral on YouTube, et al. The conservative silence will be over.
Then we can see what the landscape looks like leading up to the 2012 voting. Something tells me our “new champions” are going to make a lot of changes, for the better, and inspire us to make many more.
I like the article. A challenge for real conservative leaders to step up to the plate. The more I hear about Michele Bachmann I like. (Incidentally, the more I see I love, but that is another discussion.)
Just like the Obama regime, it doesn't matter that their dogmas have failed every signal time they have been tried. The choir just tunes out all fact and reason to cling to their emotion based opinions
This “dogma uber alles” purist mindset. Elections are won by coalitions of interests. The Freeper Purists choir are too busy voting people off “their island” to ever build a workable election coalition.
It is clear the Freeper “Dogma Uber Alles” crowd has failed to learn the lessons of the implosion during the late 1990s of the Perot “Reform” Party.
Third parties start out rallying to an issue or an individual. Usually driven by some charismatic leader, they start out all gung ho for “the cause”. This goes on for a short time frame then some divisive issue arises.
On this new issue, some in the 3rd party favor one point of view, some the other. Thus, being dogmatic purists incapable of tolerating any other opinions then their own, they factionalizing into a 4th party as those who lose the internal debate in the 3rd party declare the winners “traitors” or “RINOS” and go off to form their own clique.
This factionalizing continues on and on until the original 3rd party movement is so split up into tiny competing factions it is politically impotent.
That is what has happened to every single third party movement in US history. Every single one. This attempt will end no differently.
In this day and age, it matters much less what John Cornyn thinks and much more what Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck think. The established will be eviscerated if they stand in the way of real reform this time.